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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP15 May 2019 8:50 p.m. PST

…. UNIFORMS, ORGANIZATION, CAMPAIGNS

"This is the first full-length detailed study of the uniforms, organization, personnel and campaigns of the numerous Swiss units that served in the armies of Revolutionary, Directorate, and Imperial France from the campaigns of 1798 in Switzerland until the Hundred Days of 1815.

The author covers not just the regulation uniforms but also the numerous variations recorded in contemporary documents and plates. The uniforms of the Tete de Colonne could change from issue to issue and year to year and the author has tried to cover all of these known changes.

Estimates of the number of Swiss who served in the French Army from 1798-1815 vary from fifty to ninety thousand numbers that makes the Swiss the largest non-French nationality in the Imperial Armies. There have been many studies of these units published in France and Switzerland but this is the first full-length study to be published in England."

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von Winterfeldt15 May 2019 10:49 p.m. PST

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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP15 May 2019 11:50 p.m. PST

But not pic of the book!… (smile)

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Lilian12 Jun 2019 3:27 a.m. PST

I though that such unattractive card cover was provisionnal, but no, quite curious choice to illustrate a new book about Swiss units concerning their uniforms and orgnaisation, I hoped to see Christa Hook, Steve Noon or an other good recognized artist, it seems illustrated by previously published plates

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2019 3:29 a.m. PST

What's wrong with the book cover illustration?

Lilian12 Jun 2019 4:27 a.m. PST

I expected for a new book on uniforms something new and better aesthetically than already known old unattractive artwork, from Boisselier this one I think




Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2019 6:08 a.m. PST

Illustration is such a matter of personal taste. It is brought home to me by comparing various illustrators for Osprey. That compendium book, Armies of the Napoleonic Wars, Chris McNab, is well illustrated from various published Opsrey booklets. Individual artist's work is instantly recognisable.

The more recent Osprey books can carry work that belongs in a children's comic. Frantic action, lots of gritted teeth and garish colouring.


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Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2019 9:50 a.m. PST

I expected for a new book on uniforms something new and better aesthetically than already known old unattractive artwork, from Boisselier this one I think

I though that such unattractive card cover was provisionnal, but no, quite curious choice to illustrate a new book about Swiss units concerning their uniforms and orgnaisation, I hoped to see Christa Hook, Steve Noon or an other good recognized artist, it seems illustrated by previously published plates

There is no pleasing some people. Have you seen the book yet? If not, then quit complaining until you do. As of now, you don't have a valid point only that you don't like the cover. I think it is quite good. I have some of Helion's books in the series and they are excellent. They are scholarly and well done, and not like the variable quality of the Ospreys, many of which are not scholarly.

I think that the artist is Richard Knotel. If it is he or Boisselier, then they are recognized military artists.

And the book is not an Osprey. If that is what you prefer, then get their book on the subject. This one is 148 pages, not less than 100, as are the Ospreys.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2019 12:55 p.m. PST

Let me chip in to agree and again say that Osprey books can be very good on history of units, or accounts of battles fought, but that uniforms can be an afterthought sometimes and illustrations can vary from superb, to simply childish, in more recent releases.


This may be great. I have no idea as I have not opened it. If it uses aged illustrations that is disappointing. If they are very commonly seen that is worse. They may be "primary" sources"…even if from half a decade later…but I like the Histoires idea of presenting compilations of what various artists have shown over the years, with editors' reservations. That is called added value. Then suit yerself….

von Winterfeldt12 Jun 2019 1:55 p.m. PST

the Helion books starts already in 1798 – so far I bought several Helion books from their Reason to Revolution range, I did not regret those buys, a lot of unusual topics as well.

Lilian12 Jun 2019 2:19 p.m. PST

my point of view is totally valid as anybody else and more as Osprey & Helion reader and customer I am totally able to see the difference between both, to think and write that
given the fact that the book claimed to be about "uniforms" I expect for a new book on uniforms to offer new lavishly artwork in consequence and not usual already seen, already known, already used, already published, recycled again and again past color plates…here it is RIGO's artwork
e.g. Rousselot or Detaille are very talented, but it doesn't mean that I wish to see again in a further uniform book on Napoleonic Army
yes the variable quality of the Osprey but the level of the illustrations are not allways at the rendez-vous in comparison with the textual quality in Helion too

and potential customers readers sharing their opinions even only the card cover, can serve…
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Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jun 2019 3:44 p.m. PST

You're entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

rmcaras Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2019 6:04 p.m. PST

"This is the first full-length detailed study of the uniforms, organization, personnel and campaigns of the numerous Swiss units that served in the armies of Revolutionary, Directorate, and Imperial France from the campaigns of 1798 in Switzerland until the Hundred Days of 1815"

Given description FIRST FULL-LENGTH DETAILED STUDY…and some of the other books shown, I am left wondering the possible variation in meaning of: First; Full-length; Detailed and Study, I might have with the writer [ps – there is also a volume published by Ken Trotman Books authored by Digby Smith titles "NAPOLEON'S SWISS IN THE RUSSIAN CAMPAIGN OF 1812"…[264 pg].

So for someone to claim the first, full-length, detailed study…well, color me skeptical given I have all the others above. I guess it might have diminishing value vice the price.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP15 Jul 2019 5:41 a.m. PST

I received this volume yesterday and it is excellent, especially the illustrations, at first look.

The cover art is by Knotel.

I generally prefer the older illustrations by Knotel, Boisselier, etc. Modern interpretations are also excellent in many cases, but in some cases are not.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP15 Jul 2019 5:42 a.m. PST

So for someone to claim the first, full-length, detailed study…well, color me skeptical given I have all the others above.

I believe the blurb states 'published in England.'

There have been many studies of these units published in France and Switzerland but this is the first full-length study to be published in England."

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP15 Jul 2019 5:47 a.m. PST

my point of view is totally valid as anybody else and more as Osprey & Helion reader and customer I am totally able to see the difference between both, to think and write that
given the fact that the book claimed to be about "uniforms" I expect for a new book on uniforms to offer new lavishly artwork in consequence and not usual already seen, already known, already used, already published, recycled again and again past color plates…here it is RIGO's artwork
e.g. Rousselot or Detaille are very talented, but it doesn't mean that I wish to see again in a further uniform book on Napoleonic Army
yes the variable quality of the Osprey but the level of the illustrations are not allways at the rendez-vous in comparison with the textual quality in Helion too

The book isn't only about uniforms, it covers, and states in the blurb, that the book is about…

"This is the first full-length detailed study of the uniforms, organization, personnel and campaigns of the numerous Swiss units that served in the armies of Revolutionary, Directorate, and Imperial France from the campaigns of 1798 in Switzerland until the Hundred Days of 1815.

The bottom line is if you don't care for it, don't buy it.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP16 Jul 2019 3:59 p.m. PST

Thanks Kevin!.


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