| Tango01 | 11 May 2019 9:02 p.m. PST |
" The Russian Army has started to receive the most advanced 2B25 ‘Gull' silent mortars, a source in the defense industry told TASS on Tuesday. "The deliveries of 2B25 silent mortars to the troops have begun. In particular, special-purpose units received several dozen such mortars recently. During its operation, the Gull proved its worth as an easy-to-operate and reliable weapon, which is actually stealthy," the source said…."
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| Thresher01 | 11 May 2019 9:17 p.m. PST |
OMG, not another technological development we don't have yet!!! Now, among all the other problems, we have a silent mortar gap too??? Being silly, but that is a brilliant idea. We'll be needing some of these too. |
| Torquemada | 12 May 2019 2:46 a.m. PST |
No information on what it is that actually makes it silent. HOWEVER …
Thanks to the power of the Internet, I can reveal that: "As its distinctive feature, the 2B25 Gull mortar shows no standard signs of a flash when it is fired and, therefore, it is frequently called silent." Not quite the same thing … :-) |
| Lion in the Stars | 12 May 2019 7:48 a.m. PST |
Well, I do know that there is a 51mm piston-driven mortar in use by France, the LGI, all the powder is contained inside the piston, which heaves the bomb out of the barrel. No flash and minimal noise (52 decibels, which is about as loud as two people talking!). link
The 2B25's manufacturer has this to say ( link ):
The unique design of 2B25 mortar and its 3VO35 bomb provides the advantage of concealed operation. The mortar fire attack is not expected by the enemy because of the mortar low acoustic signature, absence of flash and smoke. Sounds like it's a piston-driven mortar, especially given the 1200m range, which is very low for an 82mm Mortar. The 2B14 mortar has a max range of 4200m, and the US M252 mortar has a max range of 6000m. |
| d88mm1940 | 12 May 2019 9:04 a.m. PST |
I thought that we used radar for counter-battery fire. It detects flying objects and back-tracks their trajectory and feeds this data for counter-battery firing.
Being 'silent' is not being invisible. |
| Stryderg | 12 May 2019 1:10 p.m. PST |
My guess is that it catches the grunts on the receiving end by surprise since they don't hear it go off. |
| Thresher01 | 12 May 2019 3:30 p.m. PST |
Counter-battery works, but line grunts aren't datalinked in to the net yet. Maybe one day. In the interim, I suspect the first warning they'd receive is of the bombs whistling on their way down to the ground, so less reaction time than they'd normally have, after hearing the crump of them being fired and coming out of their tubes. |
| Tango01 | 12 May 2019 4:00 p.m. PST |
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| Zephyr1 | 12 May 2019 8:44 p.m. PST |
The Mk.I (giant rubber bands) didn't work too well… |
| Lion in the Stars | 13 May 2019 1:38 p.m. PST |
I thought that we used radar for counter-battery fire. It detects flying objects and back-tracks their trajectory and feeds this data for counter-battery firing.
Being 'silent' is not being invisible. We do, but only bases tend to have the Counter-Battery radar right now. C-RAM (the land-based CIWS system) is so big that it needs to be on a semitrailer, and the big Oshkosh M1070 Heavy Equipment Transporter isn't armored. So it's not presently possible to give vehicle patrol convoys a counter-battery system. I'm sure it's on people's 'to-do' lists, though. |
| d88mm1940 | 13 May 2019 4:11 p.m. PST |
I remember back in the Beirut mess, we parked a battleship off the coast and it could get a volley off before the enemy rockets landed. I figured our G.I.'s would have an app on their cell phones by now.
It's the 21st Century, for goodness sake… |
| 15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 13 May 2019 5:44 p.m. PST |
Phone apps are susceptible to cyberattacks. link |
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