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Ryan T07 May 2019 6:40 p.m. PST

I recently came across a reference to an ANV type flag described as "the flag that Iowa returned to Mississippi – possibly that of the 40th Ga. Infantry". This flag was given a reference number of 63.79. From the context of the posting I presume this flag is in the collection of the Mississippi Department of Archives and History in Jackson, but I have not been able to find out any additional information. Does anyone possibly have some further details on this flag?

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP07 May 2019 8:17 p.m. PST

probably a great question for a reference librarian

Wackmole908 May 2019 7:12 a.m. PST

Hi

I wish you a great deal of luck on your quest.

Several Years ago I tried to find several unit flags of the the 1st Colorado Infantry(ACW) in the Colorado Historical Society(History Colorado now).
I had a picture of the items but they had no Idea if they still had them or where they might be. If it didn't make it into a computer data base, they are clueless.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP08 May 2019 7:19 a.m. PST

Ryan,

I am a retired archivist from the MDAH. I would recommend that you contact Nan Prince, the curator of collections at the Museum of Mississippi History at info@museumofmshistory.org. Nan can tell you more about that flag. You can tell her that Jim Pitts recommended you contact her.

Jim

Old Contemptibles08 May 2019 12:02 p.m. PST

Photo?

HMS Exeter08 May 2019 4:21 p.m. PST

I suspect you MAY be dealing with a blurring of reference references. It MAY be that the info you're looking for is in a 1905 pamphlet produced by a fellow named Richard Rollins, The Returned battle flags. It was apparently compiled by a railroad as a gimme for attendees of an ACW reunion. It included color illustrations of flags returned since the war. Mississippi archives has a cc of the pamphlet. More to the point, the pamphlet has been reprinted extensively and can be had off Amazon.

link

Hopefully, this will have what you're looking for.

HMS Exeter08 May 2019 4:30 p.m. PST

It seemed strange that Iowa would return a Georgia flag to Mississippi. Also, Madaus has no info on a 40th Georgia Flag, though he cites the pamphlet as a useful resource. Perhaps Madaus attributed the flag to a different unit. If you find an image of the flag in question, you can go thru Madaus to seek a match, or post an image and a Madaus holder could do it for you.

Regards

Ryan T09 May 2019 5:56 p.m. PST

Hello Gentlemen,

The 40th Georgia flag came up in a discussion of ANV type flags carried by units in the campaign for Vicksburg. I was told that the 40th Ga flag should also be added after I listed the following flags:

General Lloyd Tilghman made use of a rectangular red HQ flag that had a dark blue St Andrew's cross. The cross had no fimbriations and had 15 white stars. The flag also had a gold fringe.

The 42nd Alabama had a similar flag, albeit with only 12 white stars.

The 7th Texas and 50th Tennessee carried identical flags that, apart from the lack of any fringe, were again similar to the Tilghman flag.

The Fowler Guard/42nd Georgia also had a similar 15 star flag but in this case the flag had a fringe.

A flag possibly carried by Waddell's Alabama Battery had 12 stars, no fringe and again lacked any fimbriation to its blue St Andrew's cross.

Another ANV type flag that seems to fall into a similar pattern is that of the 14th Mississippi. It had 13 stars and lacked both a fringe or fimbriations.

Last of all is the flag of Guibor's Missouri Battery. It had 12 stars, no fimbriations, but included a fringe.

I have since been sent an image of the flag in the Museum of Mississippi History. I will see what more I can find on the flag, including writing to the museum as Jim suggested – and thank you Jim for that email address.

I have both the recommended Madaus and Rollins sources, but the flag appears in neither of them.

Adding the 40th Ga flag to the above list it had 13 white stars and, like the others, lacked fimbriation on the blue St Andrew's cross. It also had what looks to be a pink edge to all four sides of the flag.

Ryan

HMS Exeter10 May 2019 6:36 a.m. PST

It would appear that we have driven off the map of ACW CSA flag information, as we have info on an extant flag that wasn't found by Madaus. At the very least, I think you have the basis for an article to an appropriate periodical.

Perhaps some retired, well heeled, ACW antiquarian might want to exhaustively revisit the ACW CSA flag subject to see if a Madaus follow on might be in order.

Fascinating find.

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