"The Nuttiest Conspiracy Theories About the Founding " Topic

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"Reading Founding Father conspiracies is practically a national pastime. After all, the late 18th century was a chaotic and tumultuous period of history. Tensions between the American colonies and Great Britain were brewing, propaganda was flying, and everyone was looking for reasons to discredit their political rivals.

As a result, there are some pretty crazy conspiracies not just from people today, but from the Founding Fathers themselves. Though the American Revolution was seen as a romantic time – despite the treason and constant mudslinging – the guys behind it could be pretty ruthless people. They saw conspiracies everywhere they looked, which made sense given that the British government was eventually out to kill them. It seems that tradition has continued through to today with some pretty crazy speculations…."
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Armand

Definitely not "nutty":

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The greatest "uncomfortable truth" is that no one much outside the US calls 'The Revolutionary War'. American War of Independence, doncha know.

I'm beginning to think that if George III was a bit (okay, more than a bit) smarter and Lord North wasn't SUCH a Jerk…this might have been worked out for the benefit of all.

The bottom line is we won the war & we can call it whatever we want. Not interested what Europe calls it, I'm an American.

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Amicalement
Armand

The bottom line is we won the war & we can call it whatever we want. Not interested what Europe calls it, I'm an American.

Well, the official name, according to the US Army Center of Military History is American War of Independence.

Not interested what Europe calls it,

The world is Europe plus some other bits.

Surveying my shelves of American Revolution books, more than 75% of them have "American Revolution" in the title or subtitle.
Fine scholars they are too.
Winners get to name their defining wars. Foreigners don't.

Just out of curiosity, what do British scholars title their books on that Unpleasantness?

It's a hobby of some in the US to make all sorts of claims about the founders and what their intentions were. I think it's rather presumptuous to make these judgments and am very tired of it.
I think these men were pretty busy with the roles of rebels, and founders of the US.

rmaker 04 May 2019 1:42 p.m. PST

The bottom line is we won the war & we can call it whatever we want. Not interested what Europe calls it, I'm an American.

Well, the official name, according to the US Army Center of Military History is American War of Independence.

The Center only dates back to the 20th Century and its predecessors only date back to the aftermath of the ACW, oops I'm sorry the War of the Rebellion. The name American Revolution was already established by then. Plus there are this little items that would need to be explained:
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Bottom line, here I use AWI because that is what everyone else does and it is quick to type.

I wonder if the difference is a "Revolution" is typically an internal change i.e. that country is already established in its own right such as the French, Russian, or various color Revolutions in Eastern Europe.
A war of Independence established that country where it had not existed previously.

So if it was only a "revolution" not "independence", does that mean America is still owned by Britain?

The World calls it the AWI as they accept the formation of a new country and are viewing events from external to the US. I would further suggest the term Revolution is used in the US as it is internally focussed with the colonies still existing within their original borders.

I've seen it as, and it is a title I prefer, The War of the Revolution, as the American Revolution was also a political act, and not just a war.

The Revolution actually began in 1763 and didn't end until the ratification of the US Constitution in 1787-1789.

The War of the Revolution was a great part of that, from 1775-1783.