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seldonH20 Apr 2019 12:59 p.m. PST

( TMP giving me a hard time with posting this today :) )

So, we've shown a bit of this recently but the cat is out of the bag now.

For a year now we have been developing a set of skirmish rules for ancients.

By skirmish we mean 30-60 figures in units of 6-12 models that you can fight over two hours and that are truly centered on small actions, like for example scouting forces prior to a large battle…

We've posted a couple of battle reports but I thought it would be a good time to show about more about it..


We have really worked hard to provide the right feeling to the game looking at the impact of fatigue, armor and terrain on these kind of small actions and avoiding the temptation to "just to replicate artificial large battle mechanics in a small scale".

Although our idea is to extend the rules to all ancients and even to medieval times we want to be careful in the approach and that is why the main book concentrates in the western Mediterranean 4th to 1st BC. Punic Wars, Greco-Carthaginian wars etc.. So the first book will have 7 army lists centered on that theater of operations..

However, we will provide a quick compendium for other armies and full disclosure of the point system so you can try other lists of your own design if that is what you want.




Models should be individually based, could work with 15s or 28s ( but why not go 28s if you only need about 45 models ). Base shape is irrelevant.

Should be reaching people's hands before end of year..

if you are interested com have a look:

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Apr 2019 1:23 p.m. PST


And how would one go about buying a copy?

seldonH20 Apr 2019 1:26 p.m. PST

Need to wait till second half of the year… but we will make sure that everyone knows…

We'll be showcasing until then…

( you can also keep an eye on our fb group link )

The Young Guard20 Apr 2019 3:01 p.m. PST

Best get cracking on with my Samnites. This looks very interesting!

seldonH20 Apr 2019 3:22 p.m. PST

Indeed.. Italian tribes is one of the lists…

I want to build that force as well.. (sample page below – not the list.. just the characters for the army )


The Young Guard21 Apr 2019 1:42 a.m. PST

Thanks for sharing! I'm.veey excited about this project. Love the art work. Inspired by Mr Connolly?

I did see someone do some conversions using the victrix samnites and use them as Etruscans by using some head swaps. They looked very nice

seldonH21 Apr 2019 5:35 a.m. PST

Ahh… the artwork is indeed a story of its own… we are working with an author/artist with whom we want to also release a book on the period ( the rise of Roman republic ) that has not previously been released in english…

we will also reveal more about that in due time…

The Young Guard21 Apr 2019 12:50 p.m. PST

Oh that would be good. That part of Rome's history is very interesting. The art work is lovely.

Please keep us updated on these rules as I would be eager to play them.

wmyers22 Apr 2019 8:52 a.m. PST

If the book is printed, how come the long wait?

RobSmith22 Apr 2019 1:40 p.m. PST

That is a test print from the on-demand printer. There are still some editing passes to be finished, etc.

RobSmith22 Apr 2019 2:20 p.m. PST

It is a fun game. We have really been enjoying it. The basic mechanics are simple. The weapons and special combat abilities make the armies feel and play a lot differently, even though they may seem pretty similar.

I am glad to have a game for all the beautiful 28mm Ancients out there that does not require 200 – 300 figures per side! I'm OK with painting that many 15mm troops, or even more 10mm, but whew! That's too much for me in 28mm.

wmyers22 Apr 2019 6:58 p.m. PST

This definitely looks interesting. I just wish I didn't have to wait so long. :)

(what is it about this hobby that makes one so impatient? Yet, requires so much patience to prepare …)

seldonH22 Apr 2019 7:51 p.m. PST

I understand, I'm impatient too.

We will not take a day longer than we need but we do want to make sure to eliminate erratas and typos. We are working carefully to clean it and polish it so it will be a worthy product for anyone spending any money on the book.

While waiting, you can have a glance here:

wmyers22 Apr 2019 8:16 p.m. PST

Thank you for the link. The rules look well set up. The language is good. (yes, I paused and read through some pages)

I only noted 3 scenarios, though. Are you planning on adding more?

seldonH22 Apr 2019 8:25 p.m. PST

Hahaha… I showed more than I should.. ( thank you for the kind comment )

The book will have six scenarios, only 3 were ready when doing the test print. And we plan to support it well, of course if a community builds up. We are not serial writers that will move to other projects, so we have more material ready than you will see in the book that will come out over time.

I cannot believe you paused and read… that is funny…

As mentioned… we don't want it rushed… we've been working on it since last year and playtesting consistently by groups close ot us but also by other groups that play them without author's influence.

Hopefully it will be osomething ancient players can enjoy.


SGusky17 May 2019 5:35 a.m. PST

I am am interested in a copy of these rules.
I have seen various reviews online and would love to get the group playing them
How do I go about ordering ?
( please send me a link that doesn't involve Facebook if possible)
Cleveland , Ohio

Mars Ultor Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2019 6:25 a.m. PST

Sorry I missed the expo at Gigabytes the other day here in Atlanta. I'll try to catch the next one. Any idea when it is?


seldonH17 May 2019 10:27 a.m. PST

rules are not out yet. The reviews are only based on a playtest pre print as we have been playtesting for over 8 months continuously now.

Release is planned for Nov/Dec, straight release, o KS :)

you can follow the development here link

We do regular demos in Austin and Atlanta, and we will be doing lots of demo games during Historicon..



seldonH18 May 2019 1:53 p.m. PST

Would you guys allow me a little bit of self promotion ?

YouTube link


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