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jeffbird20 Apr 2019 10:13 a.m. PST

Hi,
Just wondering if anyone knows if any sources of Rhodesian vehicles? Thinking of wargaming the Rhodesia Bush War.
Thanks and appreciation.

Jeff

jurgenation Supporting Member of TMP20 Apr 2019 10:58 a.m. PST

Jeff google Rhodesian War Games by John Wynne Hopkins,former RAR officer. great blog…tons of eXpert knowledge. Also I have a Modern African Bushwars FB page and Yahoo site w/ tons of photos and many Veterans and gamers who can help out.Hope this helps.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Apr 2019 12:30 p.m. PST

H&R would probably be the most likely candidate to have some, I suspect.

Their lists are quite extensive.

jeffbird20 Apr 2019 2:17 p.m. PST

Cheers for the help.
Much appreciated.

stephen m20 Apr 2019 6:09 p.m. PST

GHQ, H&R and Scotia all have both infantry and vehicles which could be used or modified to cover the period. Irregular has infantry which are based in groups of 3 to 5 which are generic and cover the period. You will have to compare vehicles from South African or other sources (GHQ lists them as third world or something like that) with what you are trying to match. Irregular has many generic figures which can fill in for the period. I have quite a few "samples" and the quality is not up to GHQ or H&R but with some paint make quite reasonable figures from over 2 feet away. The only Scotia figures I have are very few, very old (3 decades) and WWII so I will not comment.

What rules are you looking at? I am working up a variant of Hind & Seek (Soviet Afghan war) to cover that period as the originals had too many status counters and some other minor issues. Being focused on asymmetrical warfare they should be a good starting place as units are squads and weapons teams and not individuals like all other games of the period. I have some of the Nordic Weasel games and Force on Force, plus others, but H&S comes across best at this scale for me. I am always looking for opinions on other systems.

stephen m20 Apr 2019 6:12 p.m. PST

Also Irish Herb does some awesome African buildings which really have the feel for the locale.

link

jeffbird21 Apr 2019 2:23 a.m. PST

Cheers Ste for the Irish Serb link, them African buildings are ideal. I was thinking of using PZ8 rules, simple rules and room for adjustments.

alan L21 Apr 2019 5:13 a.m. PST

Stephen m:

I was involved in a small way with H&S and would be very interested in seeing what suggestions you make to the rules themselves as well as a Bush Wars variant.

stephen m21 Apr 2019 5:39 a.m. PST

Alan

Right now assuming most of the obvious characteristics of units are not needed as counters. Such as prone (non moving units), quality level, etc.. Slowly I hope to address things such as different die rolls (one vs two) for different parts of the game. Personally I like being moraled to death as opposed to black or white combat results but not my compatriots. I would also like to incorporate leaders who can lead, affect morale and the like. We were also looking at making assets cheaper or your choice for 25 force points. Myself I would like to have 1 to 3 automatically as part of any force.

stephen m21 Apr 2019 7:22 a.m. PST

Forgot. I want to get rid of the IGOUGO sequence. That will take some careful consideration as I want to keep the two action aspect since loosing it changes so much else of the game. Hence the "back burner" aspect of thinking on it for some time.

alan L21 Apr 2019 1:30 p.m. PST

Thanks.

stephen m21 Apr 2019 2:43 p.m. PST

Alan

I assume you are the alan who replied to the H&S discussion on TWW. That is my contributions on buildings, magnets for helos, etc.. No PMs on TWW either. I am also on the lead adventure forum and the lard rules forums. I am always looking to exchange ideas on game systems I like and would like to find others into H&S. I reached out to aerotom but he is not interested in developing the rules further if it is going away from his direction.

beingshort125 Apr 2019 1:37 p.m. PST

@jeffbird

Here's an old list that I've made for a 6mm bush wars conflict project I did some time ago. This is what I used for the Rhodesians. Hope this helps.

KEY:
GHQ-GHQ,H&R-Heroics&Ros,S&G-Scotia Grendel,CINC-CinC ,I94-I94 minis, MSD-MSDGames,RM-Raiden minis,AIM-Armments in minis,BPM-Bulters Printed Models,Name-Shapeways

Rhodesia
AIR
Fighter:
DH Vampire(FB) -MSD*,S&G
Hawker Hunter Mk5(F) -RM/I94
Ground Attack/Close Support:
T-6 -MSD?
Recon:
Cessna 0-2(LA) -Kampfflieger
Bomber:
Canberra -H&R,S&G,MSD
GunShip:
AC-47 -Mod any 6mm C-47
Heli:
Alouette III -GHQ,H&R
Bell UH-1(LW)
LAND
ARMOR
Medium:
T-34/85 -GHQ*,H&R,CinC,Forpost D6
MBT:
T-55 -GHQ,H&R,CnC,S&G,BPM,Forpost D6
Recon/AC:
Marmon Herrington Mk4 -Keymaker
T-17 Staghound -H&R,GHQ,Giorgio Models
Ferret mk2 -H&R,GHQ,Scotia
AML 60(S)&90(L) -GHQ,CnC,S&G,H&R,BPM
IFV:
APC:
BTR-152 -GHQ,S&G,BPM?
Buffel -S&G
ARTY
Field Gun:
QF 25 pdr -H&R,GHQ
M101 Howitzer -GHQ,H&R,CnC
AT:
100mm AT model 1944 -H&R*,GHQ
AA:
1939 37mm -S&G
Oerlikon 20mm AA -S&G
Zu-23-2 AA?
SPR:
BM-21 Grad MRL
Inf:
Third World Warriors -GHQ
South African Inf -Scotia
Cav?

jeffbird26 Apr 2019 11:30 a.m. PST

@beingshort1,
Thanks for that, it's a great help.
Much appreciated.

Jeff

stephen m27 Apr 2019 11:35 a.m. PST

beingshort1

Do you have any of the Scotia South African infantry? If so how do they look? What about weapons? Any chance of pictures? I have some of their WWII French and Sci Fi figures and find them suitable but very wooden. Thank you in advance.

beingshort128 Apr 2019 7:57 a.m. PST

@Stephen

I do but don't have any pics of yet. I enjoy them for the most part. Tho the if a train is very brittle. My bad I had more than i like whom were broke off of the ankles. Nothing that glue can't fix. The weapons are FN/R4, depending how you paint them. They come in wearing the boonie hat.

There's some pics and more info on them.

link

stephen m28 Apr 2019 2:44 p.m. PST

Thank you for the link. These are much more animated than the figures I have. They look like they are all at attention or waling/marching in ranks. These guys are using their weapons. Thank you very much.

freecloud02 May 2019 3:54 a.m. PST

Someone makes the Marmon Herrington Mk4!

beingshort102 May 2019 10:48 p.m. PST

@freecloud

Its a shop on shapeways.

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