Help support TMP


"The Revolutionary Guards Are Ready to Strike Back" Topic


10 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Ultramodern Warfare (2009-present) Message Board



Areas of Interest

Modern

576 hits since 13 Apr 2019
©1994-2019 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

Tango0113 Apr 2019 9:01 p.m. PST

"On Monday, in an unprecedented move, U.S. President Donald Trump's administration designated Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a foreign terrorist organization. The decision wasn't entirely unjustified: The IRGC creates, trains, funds, arms, and deploys forces with thousands of fighters beyond Iran's borders. These include local insurgents but also terrorist groups, such as Hezbollah. IRGC-backed forces are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of U.S. service members.

The Trump administration's decision was meant to serve U.S. interests by isolating Iran. It seems not to have considered, however, the many ways that the regime can retaliate…."
Main page
link

Amicalement
Armand

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2019 9:08 p.m. PST

Yes, they said "neener neener", you are too.

That is really devastating……….

Tango0114 Apr 2019 3:38 p.m. PST

(smile)


Amicalement
Armand

Mkultra9915 Apr 2019 7:14 a.m. PST

"IRGC-backed forces are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of U.S. service members."…?

PVT64115 Apr 2019 2:04 p.m. PST

"IRGC-backed forces are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of U.S. service members."…?


In Iraq last decade and Lebanon 1983.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Apr 2019 10:29 p.m. PST

Yep, them and their "masters", who provided shaped charge IEDs to kill Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Ruchel16 Apr 2019 1:43 p.m. PST

US governments supported Saddam Hussein during his war against Iran. And you should remember that Saddam was the aggressor. Hundred thousands of Iranian soldiers and civilians died in that war, all killed by the criminal invasion carried out by Saddam, backed by US (and other Western countries) governments. Of course, when Saddam was no longer useful, he was destroyed.

So US governments should be considered as terrorist organizations too.

US governments have supported and financed dictators, terrorist groups and criminal organizations around the world for decades, in order to achieve their economic and strategic goals. US governments have provoked and financed coups and riots, have bombed and invaded many foreign countries in the name of economic and strategic interest (not in the name of "democracy and freedom", the worst fallacy and the worst hypocrisy).

French chemical companies (with the consent of the French government) helped Saddam to make and to use chemical weapons. Thousands of Iranian people were killed by those horrible weapons, and then even many Iraqi Kurdish people were massacred using the same weapons too.

So French governments (and those French companies) should be considered as terrorist organizations as well.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2019 8:39 p.m. PST

You are correct that the US backed Iraq originally, against Iran. Really, that's a "no brainer", given Iran's attack on our people in that country which they held hostage, and a very radical, theologically driven government in Iran, which continues to this day.

As you mention, many others allied against Iran as well, and some do still to this day.

Actually, from many accounts I've read, many, many of the thousands (or tens of thousands) of Iranians that died in that war did so since Iran's leaders had them conduct human wave attacks against their opponents.

Therefore, one really needs to objectively ask who were the bigger criminals in that war.

I don't recall reading/hearing about any "terrorist groups" the US funded, other than AQ sympathizers (and similar orgs) in Syria recently, who were fighting against ISIS. That was done apparently, as an "alliance of convenience" under the age olde adage that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

The same applied to Iraq at the time of the conflict that country had against Iran.

Ruchel18 Apr 2019 2:02 p.m. PST

Firstly, US and other Western countries supported and financed the dictatorship ruled by Reza Pahlavi (Sha), an eccentric despot, a criminal repressive who ruled as a puppet following the US economic and strategic interests. So logically the Revolution triumphed. And logically Iranian people had no sympathy at all for those American governments that had supported a despicable tyrant who tortured many people and ruined the country.

After the fall of the dictatorship, Iran was an impoverished country and the army was in appalling conditions, without supplies and spare parts. Iran was in no way a military menace for Western countries. It was a fallacy, a lie plotted by American diplomacy. The real purpose was to destroy any Iranian government that did not comply with the American economic and strategic interests. US governments wanted a new puppet ruler absolutely loyal to American policies, a new good lackey.

So US and other Western countries looked for war and they used the worst criminal in the area, Saddam Hussein. This despicable murderer attacked without any provocation and massacred hundred thousands of Iranian people, all actions supported and financed by US governments (and other Western countries too).

Anyone who supports a criminal is a criminal too. It is the same logic that US government uses in order to define terrorist organizations. If we follow this premise, US governments should be considered a terrorist organization, because they meet the requirements.

Again, logically, it is understandable that Iranian people have no sympathy for US governments.

Iranian army lacked operative weapons and trained soldiers. They had to fight using the basic methods that they had at their disposal: untrained levies, obsolete weapons and inferior tactics. But they stopped the offensive, although paying a high price.

A criminal is absolutely responsible for the crime committed. It is obvious. You cannot put the blame in the attacked victims. Is it a joke? It is cruel absurdity. Saddam and his Western supporters were the real responsible criminals, US governments especially included.

After the war, The Iranian people suffered a battery of economic sanctions which caused poverty, malnutrition and medical shortages. All because they did not want to be a puppet state totally subject to American economic and strategic interests. Maybe now Iran is subject to other powers, but at least these powers have not attacked it repeatedly in thousands of ways.

Regarding the principle "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and the concept of "alliance of convenience", please, be careful, because Iran and other powers can use the same principles. If you justify the crimes committed or supported by US governments using those principles, any country can do the same. So, following this premise, you have only two options: first, all organizations and governments which commit and/or support crimes and criminals should be considered terrorist organizations (US governments included) or, second, no one should be considered as such.

Again, a cruel dictator, Saddam Hussein, attacked Iran. He was the aggressor, and he was supported by US and other Western countries (even with chemical weapons). Nothing can justify that massacre. The supposed "reason of state" is an immoral hypocrisy. And that kind of actions, that kind of policy, are being used today with complete impunity by Western terrorist governments.

Regarding the actions carried out by US governments around the world, for decades, some brief examples. Support and funds to:

- Criminal dictators in South America and Africa.
- Criminal groups (paramilitaries responsible for many massacres) in Central America (and in many other areas around the world).
- Criminal dictators such as Saddam Hussein (until he became useless), Mubarak, Saudis, and many others.
- Criminal groups in Central Africa (Rwanda, Congo, …), all in the name of gold, diamonds, coltan and other resources).
- Criminal groups in Middle East, including the origins of Taliban, Al Qaeda and other fanatical organizations, from the last days of Cold War.

And there are many other examples.

So, American governments should be considered a foreign terrorist organization as well.

I recommend the use of critical thinking. People should open their eyes and avoid American propaganda.

Lion in the Stars18 Apr 2019 5:40 p.m. PST

I will be honest.

I like the Iranian people. On 9-11-01, when most of the Arab world had spontaneous mass rallies cheering at the strike against the Great Satan, Tehran and other Iranian cities had spontaneous mass candlelight vigils, praying for the victims.

I cannot say that I like the Iranian leadership, however.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.