"Presentation of captured flags (painted by Detaille)" Topic

"Remise Au Senat Des Trophees" by Edouard Detaille. Presentation of the trophies (captured Austrian and Russian flags) at the Senate, in Paris, after the 1805 campaign (Ulm, Austerlitz, etc.).

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What a great find. How odd that I at least have never seen this reproduced in any of my numerous books. OK 90% of them are about a field south of Brussels.

What attention to detail in uniforms. Cuirassier officers for example. My favourite is the civilians. I have plans for this picture! Thanks.

The actual painting is in the Pavillon du Roi at the Chateau de Vincennes, near the SHD reading room – it is enormous and is displayed with other historical paintings, flags, insignia etc – great day out from central Paris, even if you don't want to visit the archives.

Are the civilian clothes mode correct for this period?

The civilian clothing is indeed period-correct. The women also show a nice mix of upper and lower classes.

I think they are.

The top hat with the broader top (an inverted cone I am trying to say) was certainly the fashion by 1815. Up to them the reverse applied. The girl in green has the classical Empire line to her dress, the waist basically under the bust. (I am sure my wife would mock me and describe it in far more technical terms). There is a chap in a bicorne, not grossly raised as seen by the Restorations. The coats have the "Regency style" collars. 1805, possibly slightly later, but not much and those Parisians have always been a fashionable lot.

Nice. I have never seen it either.

New to me too. Slightly different style to most of his work but I love the explosion of color!

Fantastic color and detail.
It's interesting that the central Cuirassier's portmanteau is not sitting flat but the ends stick out?

Deadhead, remember that these fashions originated in Paris, for the most part, and then very slowly made their way across the Channel and elsewhere on the continent.

Regency fashion was not a thing until the actual Regency in 1811, if I'm not mistaken.

OK I will first admit I thought the Regency started earlier than that! We have all seen either the film of the play about poor old GIII and read the theories about Porphyria etc. I imagined Prinny stepping in before 1811.

Definitely agree that Paris was always the lead in Fashion, even influencing GB, despite being at war. Again the "bell" topped hat for the gents is later than the more conical top hat of the Revolutionary Era. The bonnets and that girl's dress classical.

Great attention to detail eg Cuirassiers' Silver Epaulette fringes and turnback ornaments (as officers). Did they have a portmanteau in the picture? (I do not dare leave this message as I have inadvertently created so many duplicates recently.) The convention seems officers did not.

Ah, that is not a portmanteau. They have their cloaks behind them. Troopers would carry them atop the square portmanteau. (I always paint mine white and the facing colour, because it looks so good. Late on they should be grey though. Boring)

Clearly not to I witness account!?
All the russian flags seem to be of the later issue ( like 1806).
I cannot recall right now what units lost colours but many were with the 1789 IIRC? (older issue) and not the 1800 or 1803.

Nice details as it would be fairly easy to figure out the Russian flags wonder if they are historical accuracy of flags captured?

Just as a wise crack I nearly put a line in my original post to the effect that I wondered just how long it would be before the first comment as to the correctness of the flags!

Six hours and Fourteen minutes from my time of posting.

LOL! TMP never fails!

LoL

Red cross w/ black corners St Petersburg inspection
If two blue cross w/ white corners are different
It blue – Dniester Inspection
Dk blue – Caucasus Inspection
It green cross w/ corners Lithuania Inspection
At least maybe

Haven't seen this before either, very good!

See it as a piece of art and not a painting about uniform details – nor about Russian standards and colours.

The Austrian ones do appear to be the correct 1792 issue, though.

Don't get me wrong, art in that period is my favorite, but that at least some of the flags I mentioned are real makes me wonder how much research the painter did. He wasn't just making them up.As the Russian flags are of the 1803 issue.