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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian18 Mar 2019 8:40 p.m. PST

gideon asks:

What is the status of the different rulesets formerly published in the WHW product line? Are they still being published anywhere?

Winston Smith18 Mar 2019 8:56 p.m. PST

GW is loathe to give away copyright.
At this point, nobody can print any of their rules except GW.
When and if they feel like reprinting those titles, you will see them, and not from anyone else, and not a minute before. They aren't paying legal retainer fees for nothing. grin
In the past on TMP, there were those who thought that this gave them the license to make copies on the grounds of "But I want it!" They were wrong.
Find some other rules, or look on eBay.

Griefbringer19 Mar 2019 2:30 a.m. PST

Sometimes GW does lisence out rights to their old games – for example there was recently 4th edition of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay released by an independent company.

That said, I haven't heard anything suggesting this might happen with the Warhammer Historical titles. Furthermore, there is likely quite a number of the books still rotating in the second hand market – and I think my local game store still had a few of them a while ago.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2019 6:44 a.m. PST

Bill, welcome to the world of the Mickey Mouse Copyright Law. Three quarters of everything ever written in English is under copyright but out of print. That will not get better in my lifetime, the Justice Department having killed our last hope when they vetoed the Google Settlement.

If I could fix it, dozens of real books and maybe 10-12 sets of rules would come before anything GW ever made.

YogiBearMinis Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2019 4:56 a.m. PST

Current GW leadership is far closer to the old regime in its heyday than the Kirby years of shrinking stores and product with increasing prices. I don't think GW would ever branch into historicals because the money just isn't there, but they might at some point introduce "Classic Warhammer Library" collection or some sort to get some money off of these old titles—subject to concerns it could encourage players to buy other companies' historical miniatures rather than their own. GW has lately been far more willing to resurrect old line and old figures to grab a quick buck but also make fanboys and grognards happy.

Bowman25 Mar 2019 5:55 p.m. PST

GW sent its historical division, Warhammer Historical, to Forge World after making Rob Broom redundant. Shortly after that (2011 or 2012 I believe) Warhammer Historical was shut down. I also believe all unsold historical product was eventually destroyed. The old titles are gone.

Sad really.

shthar19 Apr 2019 11:39 a.m. PST

You can't copyright rules concepts. Just rewrite em and publish them yourself.

Don't use the same pictures.

von Schwartz21 Apr 2019 6:41 p.m. PST

Hate to throw ice water on this but what does Warhammer have to do with Historical Wargaming?

Bowman25 Apr 2019 4:24 p.m. PST

"Pissing in the well" might be a more apt description.

von Schwartz25 Apr 2019 5:47 p.m. PST

Ewwww!

Royal Marine27 Apr 2019 11:22 a.m. PST

Black Powder – Hail Caesar – Pike and Shotte etc … this is what GW Historical has become, and all the better for it too :-) Just head over to Warlord Games for your 28mm fix of Historical fun-gaming.

TheKing3002 Jun 2019 11:57 a.m. PST

Black Powder – Hail Caesar – Pike and Shotte etc … this is what GW Historical has become, and all the better for it too :-) Just head over to Warlord Games for your 28mm fix of Historical fun-gaming.

The Black Powder series of games are a blast to play – but they are not what Warhammer Historicals has become. They had very different mechanics and play very differently.

Again, both are great games – but very different games.

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