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Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Mar 2019 9:45 p.m. PST

Looks like the newest Fantasy Skirmish game from GW will be out this summer.

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They are promising that it will be completely different from everything that has come before. Perhaps so. They have been knocking just about everything they have released recently out of the park so I wouldn't be surprised if this is great too.

I'll be buying it for the models if nothing else.

They are saying the models will reflect the diversity of Chaos in a "scale never attempted before."

Looks like the starter set might be coming with some sort of Khorne reavers vs. human followers of the Rat God. Very interesting. Skaven are the one faction I don't have for Chaos.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP12 Mar 2019 9:48 p.m. PST

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Soaring Soren13 Mar 2019 4:01 a.m. PST

I may need some fantasy Khorne models myself. Want? Need? Is there really a difference?

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Mar 2019 8:21 a.m. PST

Pictures of the models:

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I'm really liking the new harpies. It is nice to see some that aren't insectoid.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP13 Mar 2019 7:46 p.m. PST

They have been knocking just about everything they have released recently out of the park so I wouldn't be surprised if this is great too.

That is very debatable since everything that they have put out is overprice and there are far better miniatures out there.

So like always I will be passing on this.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Mar 2019 4:34 a.m. PST

It would seem like very little they have put out is overpriced given that they have record sales and can't even keep many items in stock. People buying all of your stuff is pretty much proof that it isn't overpriced.

Dave Gamer14 Mar 2019 4:41 a.m. PST

This looks like a reimagining of Mordheim in the AOS universe. I'm interested in the new game mechanics. I'll wait until I see the initial reviews and battle reports before laying out my hard earned dosh…

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Mar 2019 6:48 a.m. PST

I'm wondering if it won't be like the path to glory that they released in the early 2000s.

I'm hoping it will do for fantasy skirmish what infinity did for sci fi.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2019 12:55 p.m. PST

It would seem like very little they have put out is overpriced given that they have record sales and can't even keep many items in stock. People buying all of your stuff is pretty much proof that it isn't overpriced.

Gee, Overprice items = Record Sales since their Fanboyz are paying more than they should be.

As for stock why is it that both FLGS near me have so much of their stuff and even when they put it at 30%-50% off it still does not sell.

Plus GW will piece this out to their Fanboyz so that they can get even more money from them.

Come on I was at one of the FLGS and they had a single GW miniature that was selling for $35 USD and it was not that get of a miniature.

Their stuff is nothing but overpriced.

I can get 20 Miniatures for the $35 USD and they are far better.

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Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Mar 2019 2:56 p.m. PST

It is simple economics. If it sells, it is not overpriced. By definition.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP15 Mar 2019 5:14 p.m. PST

Well it up to you and you can either pay $35 USD and get:

One miniature from GW looking at you Severina Raine

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Or you can spend less than that and get 20 miniatures and have some money left over.

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Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP15 Mar 2019 11:13 p.m. PST

I'm not interested in Severina Raine, but I did just choose the new Noise Marine over that box of 20 miniatures, as did so many other people that it was sold out for months.

williamb16 Mar 2019 7:19 a.m. PST

People buying an item doesn't mean that it is not overpriced. Games Workshop has a habit of pricing better units at a higher cost compared to basic units even though they are usually fewer of them and the figures are comparable as far as quality and material. When I can get a plastic orc for 50 centsUSD that is just as good compared to $3 USD or more from GW I am not going to throw my money away buying from GW.

Payless Shoes had a perfect example of people willing to buy overpriced items when they opened up several popup stores at malls with their regular items priced at 10 to 20 times their actual price and people were purchasing them. Of course they later told the customers the truth. The television advertisements were interesting to see.

Personal logo Bowman Supporting Member of TMP16 Mar 2019 7:44 p.m. PST

I don't care what other people tell me about what value I should put upon things and what I should be prepared to pay for them. I'm not interested in 90% of what is produced for this hobby and therefore it doesn't matter what others pay for their toys.

It is very subjective but I find these figures very uninspiring. To my eyes they look pretty lame.

williamb16 Mar 2019 8:15 p.m. PST

@Bowman I agree with you 100%

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Mar 2019 7:19 p.m. PST

williamb you are wrong. In the case of something like a miniature people buying an item does mean that it is not overpriced.

The problem with your argument is this part "When I can get a plastic orc for 50 centsUSD that is just as good compared to $3 USD USD or more from GW"

Your valuation of the Orc from GW and the Orc from somewhere else does not determine the value. That is up to individuals. Your statement PROVES that GW figures are generally not overpriced.

In a competitive market, when people have other options, if people are still buying your product it is not overpriced.

If the people buying the shoes were willing to pay 10-20 times the price then they were not overpriced either.

Something is overpriced when no one, or too few, is/are buying it. The price is higher than the value of the item.

With GW this is obviously not the case as their revenues continue to increase. People are buying their product at record levels.

I do think it is interesting that all this GW hate keeps bumping this thread to the top of two fantasy boards, it is like free advertising for them.

williamb19 Mar 2019 2:20 p.m. PST

It has nothing to do with hating Gamse Workshop. I used to purchase their figures until they raisd their prices to ridiculous levels. They are in the business of selling figures. In order to keep people buying their figures they are constantly changing the rules and figure lines. The original lizarmen skinks were armed with cross bows. then GW redesigned them with blow guns and later ruled that the earlier figures were no longer allowed in tournaments. Since then they have dumped Warhammer and gone with Age of Sigmar requiring fewer figures at higher prices. While people can buy figures that are just as good if not beter from others at less expensive prices if they want to participate in a GW tournament they must use GW figures and not others. What I hear from people with GW armies at conventions is that they can no longer use them. I built this dwarf army, which is one of several armies that I have, for about $300. USD It is a mix of GW and others. Even accounting for inflation there is no way that that could be done at GW's current pricing.

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Borderguy19019 Mar 2019 3:40 p.m. PST

Why do you bother Pic? The GW hater trolls on TMP will bash anything and everything GW with no regard for reason.

Are there cheaper models out there? Sure.

Do a lot of the cheaper models look like crap? Yup.

Do you need to go spout off about why you hate a certain companies models on every thread? please do! it lets me stifle and ignore more people!

I was hoping for a rerelease of Mordheim myself. With this coming out I doubt they will have two competing skirmish sets. Though, they could release a Mordheim campaign book for the Warcry rules and rerelease all the Mordheim minis.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP19 Mar 2019 5:46 p.m. PST

"and later ruled that the earlier figures were no longer allowed in tournaments."

This just isn't true.

How could they even do such a thing. We had a Path To Glory event a few months ago and some of the figures in use weren't GW figures. I don't remember any GW people coming to stop us or even fine us for using them.

" have dumped Warhammer and gone with Age of Sigmar requiring fewer figures at higher prices."

Also not true, well the fewer figure part is, but prices have come down on MANY of the figures for the game.

"if they want to participate in a GW tournament they must use GW figures and not others"

Again, this is a myth. While it isn't a tournament our Necromunda leagues have never required only using GW figures. One of the players has some very well converted Reaper Bones rats that he uses as bomb rats for example.

In all the games in which they have been used no GW agents were seen trying to prevent their use, although a number of die were witnessed preventing their efficient use.

From the picture it looks like you have about 230 just infantry there plus commanders and artillery. I think the only company you could get that from these days is Mantic. If you can still get them at the cheap army price.

I mean even the Old Glory dwarfs are $13 USD for 6 or $2.16 USD. GWs are $35 USD for 16 or $2.19 USD.

I mean GW prices can't be that bad when retail is only $.03 USD than Old Glory.


"Why do you bother Pic? The GW hater trolls on TMP will bash anything and everything GW with no regard for reason."

Because every time they post it just gives me the opportunity to show what a great company GW is and how good their excellent figures are, and when combining price and quality, are actually a very reasonable value.

williamb19 Mar 2019 6:51 p.m. PST

I haven't been involved with Age of Sigmar, but these were the rules for Warhammer world Second paragraph
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Other requirements wee the latest codex must be used which eliminated the earlier models with the bows.

The 2018/19 40k requirements First paragraph under model requirements
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Haven't located the official GW AOS tournament rules, but did note that models that are substituting for actual figures must be approved for use in tournament per the event rules.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2019 7:02 p.m. PST

Pictors,

You are stating things from non-GW sanction events.

If GW was putting on the Event you…

Had to have all GW stuff, individuals have been told that their Armies were not legal due to having Non-GW Miniatures.

Because every time they post it just gives me the opportunity to show what a great company GW is

GW is not a great company, they have been nothing but bully for basically the last 20 years.

They have tried to Trademark things that they couldn't and would have their legal department threaten any who would use those words.

Like "Spot the Space Marine".

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Which is why they change many of their army names.

Their miniatures are overpriced still looking at you looking at you Severina Raine and many others.

But you think that having that miniature at $35 USD is good and it is not overpriced.

One of the reasons why GW killed off WFB is that it got to expensive to buy even one Army let alone five to six armies.

Plus GW will change the scale of their miniatures (new EPIC) since they do not want you to be able to use your old miniatures.

So GW is not a great company and is actually quite Evil.

williamb19 Mar 2019 7:13 p.m. PST

Mithmee A while back there was an article posted where GW was visited and people there interviewed. Can't recall the site or date, but the people at GW who were interviewed confirmed much of what you posted and that they were more interested in getting people to buy the latest figures rather than anything else.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP19 Mar 2019 10:42 p.m. PST

"Other requirements wee the latest codex must be used which eliminated the earlier models with the bows."

No, you can use them as "counts as" models. Also, you have to use GW models to play in GW stores, sure, that has always been a rule. You said tournaments and that just isn't true.

"GW is not a great company, they have been nothing but bully for basically the last 20 years."\

How have they bullied anyone? No one is forced to buy their products.

Their attempts to sue people are the result of them having to protect or lose their copyright as a result of copyright laws. Like when Disney sued pre-schools in the 80s. Do you think they want to do this?

No, they are forced to by copyright law.

The copyright is valuable.

"One of the reasons why GW killed off WFB is that it got to expensive to buy even one Army let alone five to six armies."

This is great. This shows the cognitive dissonance in the self-loathing GW lover.

Basically this comes down to:

"They are evil because they sell figures that are such a high price that it is too expensive to play the game. Also they are evil because they made a game that is cheaper to play and have fun with fewer miniatures."

GW didn't change the scale of epic, they just made titans that fit in with the old scale.

You keep reciting these things that are actually just straight up wrong. The new titans scale with the old figures perfectly. Just look at some of the pictures that have the old figures on the bases of the new titans.

You have no idea what you are talking about yet again.

"but the people at GW who were interviewed confirmed much of what you posted and that they were more interested in getting people to buy the latest figures rather than anything else."


GASP! Alert the media, employees at a company are tasked with selling products that the company makes!

IS this even legal??!!! How can such a thing be allowed to continue? If this goes on companies might make money from their customers and not just labor on as a sacrifice to the hobby!!!!

"So GW is not a great company and is actually quite Evil."

In a world where people literally have their heads hacked off by other people, entire nations live in fear of criticizing their government, girls genitals are mutilated, the holocaust happened and people are killed for their sneakers, Mithmee thinks that evil is a company changing the ranges on shuriken catapults to 12" from 24".

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP19 Mar 2019 10:42 p.m. PST

Also new Stormcast model:

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Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2019 1:23 p.m. PST

How have they bullied anyone?

Really do you want to go into this.

Because I am more than willing to pull up things showing what a bully they are.

But they have bullied Gaming Store owners, attempted to bully writers and many others.

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Their attempts to sue people are the result of them having to protect or lose their copyright as a result of copyright laws.

Copyright, they basically stole from everyone on their games.

Plus the one time they actually went to court (the Chapterhouse lawsuit) that did not go well for them.

Which is why they change the names of everything.

They tried to Copyright…

Space Marine

and wanted to Copyright Imperial Guard as well.

You cannot Copyright terms that are common but GW did try.

They are not known for being the Dark/Evil Empire for nothing.

They actually earned those titles.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2019 1:27 p.m. PST

Oh and just what is the price on that new miniature?

Going prices would put it in the $25 USD+ range.

It not worth that amount.

williamb20 Mar 2019 8:44 p.m. PST

About the Space Marine name. It was created in 1932 and has been part of the Science Fiction lexicon since then. Now companies do have the right to go after someone who infringes on their trademarks, which Ford did forcing Ferrari to change the name of their F150 formula one race car. What GW did was try to claim that the term Space Marine was theirs and then filed suit against the author of a book with space marine as part of the title. Which is what was brought up earlier. That lawsuit brought GW a lot of bad press from multiple forums and sites across the internet and news services. GW lost the court case.

Cmpanies are out to sell their products which is to be expected. The article that I mentioned previously had a link posted to it on The Miniatures Page a while back. I believe it was a newspaper article on GW's business practices. The interviews took place sometime after Rick Priestly and the original founders of GW were no longer with the company. What they were told during their interviews was that GW was only interested in selling their figures and that is why they kept changing the rules and redesigning the figures.

Also it has been noted that GW will charge more for troops that are better in the rules even though design and material costs are the same as lesser quality troops. Now all companies in order to survive need to keep selling new products. But GW forces people to use only their figures if they want to participate in an official GW tournament. Also, as I mentioned when the Lizardmen skinks were redesigned they did allow the earlier version to be used for a while, but then banned them allowing only the new figures to be used.

There are retailers who will discount the price of figures and games so they can sell at a higher volume. However, GW will not allow them to advertise discounted prices and has been known to no longer allow a retailer who has discounted their products to carry them.

As for that rather expensive individual figure, I can get the parts to make about ten identical figures for that price from others. Other manufacturers make much better quality metal figures for a lot less than GW would charge for the same item. As for plastic figures, I can purchase four times as many figures from others prior to finding a retailer with a discounted price for what GW charges for their figures.

Finally, I do not hate GW or the products they make. All of the above is what has actually happened over the years. There are a number of new items that they have released that I would actually like to purchase. However, I will not pay the inflated prices that they charge just to get something that only they make. Instead I will find a substitute from another company and save my money.

WARCRY was also the title of a previous card game that GW had a while back link

Centurio Prime21 Mar 2019 5:23 a.m. PST

This is great. Another Mithmee thread LOL.

Mithmee, please post the list of GW items that your FLGS is selling at 35-50% discount, along with the store name and phone number.

williamb21 Mar 2019 6:43 a.m. PST

Unfortunately since I moved, I am now about an hour and a half by the interstate from the closest FLGS. As for discounts How about 99.8 % off though only for limited items link Normal discount is about 10% There is one figure manufacturer in London who I bought from recently who gave a 15% discount on some of the items I ordered.

I was just on the GW website and noticed that they do not say how large the paint pots are. Does anyone know what size they are?They look like they might be less than an ounce. If so then they are about two to three times as expensive as GHQ, Vallejo, Howard Hues, and Stone Mountain to name a few.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP21 Mar 2019 9:27 a.m. PST

The GW paint pots are 12ml.

"Going prices would put it in the $25 USD USD+ range.

It not worth that amount."

Time will tell. I'm guessing it will be worth that amount. We'll know when you can't get it anymore because it is sold out.

Also why don't you trot out a recent example of GW bullying anyone. Defending copyright is one thing, companies are forced to do that or they lose it.

And williamb, there is just so much misinformation in your post I don't even know where to begin.

How about this incorrect assumption:

"However, GW will not allow them to advertise discounted prices and has been known to no longer allow a retailer who has discounted their products to carry them."

Then look at the Warstore, no fly-by night or under-the-radar operation.

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Heck if you had even looked at your own link you would notice they were selling GW stuff at a discount.

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"Also it has been noted that GW will charge more for troops that are better in the rules even though design and material costs are the same as lesser quality troops."

Demonstrably not true.

"But GW forces people to use only their figures if they want to participate in an official GW tournament."

So what? That seems completely reasonable. A company is putting on an event, they are providing the place to play as a promotion for their products. It isn't unreasonable to expect people not to advertise other companies products at it.

If you want to play a game that one of my FLGS doesn't carry at the store you have to pay $10 USD to play there.

williamb21 Mar 2019 12:43 p.m. PST

That was GW's policy and what the stores said a while back. I stand corrected then. Hadn't realized that they no longer were enforcing that policy as I haven't been to the war store or looked at what others have been carrying for the last few years.

Their policy of charging more for better troops was true. Back before they changed to Age of Sigmar a core unit of plastic elf spears was about $20 USD (estimate of price as no longer listed) while the plastic phoenix guard was about 50% higher or more. Since I don't have age of Sigmar how one unit compares to another is unknown. However the price of $35 USD for one special figure would tend to indicate it still their practice.

GW was not legally defending copyright when they sued over space marine and I never said they didn't have the right to do so when it was an actual violation of copyright. They used to be extremely vicious when it came to enforcing copyright or trademark forcing sites to remove anything related to their products that fans of theirs had created. As noted they had every right to do so in those cases Their legal department may have eased off since the time of the lawsuit.

Unfortunately, their past practices have left them with a reputation that those who knew them back then have not forgotten.

However, their prices are still much higher than others. I thought the bottles looked like they were about half an ounce, but wanted to confirm that. 12ml at $5 USD per bottle compared to $4 USD per 29ml that others charge. Calculates out to three times the price of other paint of at least equal quality.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2019 12:46 p.m. PST

Global Warmers/Climate Change

Where did this come from?

You posted a picture of a new GW miniature and I wanted to know what the price of it was.

Also why don't you trot out a recent example of GW bullying anyone

Well after the smackdown and bad PR that they got back in 2013 for their attempt of telling Amazon to drop "Spot the Space Marine" they have done very little.

But they have had a very long history of being a bully you just do not want to believe it.

<q"Also it has been noted that GW will charge more for troops that are better in the rules even though design and material costs are the same as lesser quality troops."

Demonstrably not true.

This is completely true.

Dwarf Hammers
Witch Elves doubled in price
Dire Avengers doubled in price
Plus others as well

If the unit was considered to be needed in every army GW decided to gouge their customers by doubling the price of those miniatures.

You can care not to believe but that is what GW did do.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP21 Mar 2019 8:36 p.m. PST

You said this though:

"Also it has been noted that GW will charge more for troops that are better in the rules even though design and material costs are the same as lesser quality troops. "

Then this:

"Their policy of charging more for better troops was true. Back before they changed to Age of Sigmar a core unit of plastic elf spears was about $20 USD USD (estimate of price as no longer listed) while the plastic phoenix guard was about 50% higher or more."

Sure the phoenix guard was more, but the part about "design and material costs are the same as lesser quality troops" is not true.

Usually those higher priced boxes were much more detailed kits with many options in them. So while you might get 10 figures for the price of 16 other figures, those figures did require a lot more design work because they contained a lot more options (and incidentally contained more bits for conversions.)

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP21 Mar 2019 8:40 p.m. PST

"Global Warmers/Climate Change
Where did this come from?"

That came from you. If you control F that phrase, you will note that only you wrote it. I'm not sure what is going on with your perception.

Whatever it is though, it is making a lot of your statements make more sense to me in context.

"But they have had a very long history of being a bully you just do not want to believe it."

So you can't trot out a recent example then. I thought not.

"Dwarf Hammers
Witch Elves doubled in price
Dire Avengers doubled in price
Plus others as well

If the unit was considered to be needed in every army GW decided to gouge their customers by doubling the price of those miniatures."

This doesn't even make sense. How would you use Dire Avengers in a Necron army? Or Witch Elves in a Goblin army?

You don't even need Dire Avengers in a Eldar army or Witch Elves in Dark Elf army much less in any other army.

And I can show you that GW does not charge more just because of the power level of a unit.

Once again you don't know what you are talking about. If you would care to have me prove you wrong yet again please let me know.

williamb22 Mar 2019 7:24 a.m. PST

"Global Warmers/Climate Change
Where did this come from?"
That came from you. If you control F that phrase, you will note that only you wrote it. I'm not sure what is going on with your perception.

There is a phenomenon on the forums known as "The Bug" where random words/phrases and even whole posts are affected. Someone goes to post something about a Seven Years War army and it gets replaced by another post and/or their post ends up in another forum such as spaceship gaming. Most members are never affected while for those who have it usually happens only once. Tango is the only member I know of who has been affected multiple times

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP22 Mar 2019 12:25 p.m. PST

Okay since that should be over on the Science board.

You don't even need Dire Avengers in a Eldar army or Witch Elves in Dark Elf army much less in any other army.

Really an Eldar player is not going to put into their army the best Common Troop.

Sure they are only likely to put in the bare minimum two units of them (Min/Max).

But when you compare Guardians to Dire Avengers you are going to want those two units of Dire Avengers over Guardians. 18" Range is far better than 12" Range.

Thus GW increase the price for 10 of them from $35 USD to $70. USD

The same goes for Witch Elves, best hand to hand unit in a Dark Elves army so they got doubled in price as well.

And I can show you that GW does not charge more just because of the power level of a unit.

Really, it is not about Power Level but the cost per miniature going from $3.50 USD per one to $7.00 USD for one miniature.

Now this never effected me since I got my Eldar back in the early to mid 1990's.

But GW decided to gouge their customers because they knew that those units were needed and would be brought by new players.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Mar 2019 10:01 a.m. PST

"Really an Eldar player is not going to put into their army the best Common Troop."

Really.

See this a demonstration of just how truly ignorant you are about what is going on.

You need neither Guardians nor Dire Avengers in an Eldar list.

Here are some winning lists:

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I've looked through a few others and while I've seen a couple with Guardians, I have yet to see one with Dire Avengers.

I mean you're just totally clueless about how things work.

"But GW decided to gouge their customers because they knew that those units were needed and would be brought by new players."

This is completely untrue.

Those are lists designed to win tournaments, even by the fluff you wouldn't see many dire avengers in Iyanden, Alaitoc, Saim-Hann or Ulthwe lists often.

So you could easily make a fluffy list without Dire Avengers either.

Your entire post is based on a completely false premise.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP28 Mar 2019 10:04 a.m. PST

Also new Warcry pictures. This time it is the Iron Golems. This clan is apparently the group that forges the weapons that the Chaos armies use. They live in the plane of metal, not surprisingly.

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In addition to human models they will also have Ogre and Dwarf models in their mix:

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Winston Smith28 Mar 2019 1:55 p.m. PST

While looking for GW paints at a hobby store (yes, "overpriced", but some have unique qualities that I appreciate, so I buy them) I saw a plastic Ultramarine Librarian in a blister for $25. USD
I laughed, but I didn't get the vapors over it.
I also dislike the fluff, but am not enraged about it.
I think the figures are silly looking, but then I'm not the intended audience.

I'll buy the Brigade Games AWI Militia instead at Historicon. Sight unseen! I hope their purity scrolls and skullz are correct.
Is there any way I can derail this thread into a discussion of British Light Infantry? No? You wouldn't appreciate it? Ok.

Winston Smith28 Mar 2019 1:58 p.m. PST

"Overpriced" is a totally subjective criterion. It may be for you, but not for me.
I hope we can discuss that concept when Perry, Eureka, Fife and Drum, Brigade Games, etc all come out simultaneously with Washington Crossing the Delaware, based on Leutze, complete.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP29 Mar 2019 12:16 p.m. PST

"Overpriced" is a totally subjective criterion.

Well when you can get 20 very good miniatures for the price of one GW miniature…

Something is Overpriced.

Xintao29 Mar 2019 1:35 p.m. PST

How have they bullied anyone?

Just today, the company War Banner(historical games) announced it was changing it's name to Dark Peak Games, because…..they got a notice from GW's legal team, stating that "War Banner" was too close to "Warhammer"

The bullying continues too this VERY day.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP29 Mar 2019 6:02 p.m. PST

Yup, mark up another.

Though they should have sued GW, they would have won.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.