"Early Russian Guard Infantry Details" Topic
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| Widowson | 12 Mar 2019 7:17 p.m. PST |
A lot of sources refer to a "gold" band around the top of the shako, but do they really mean metallic gold? Or do they mean what I see illustrated on a Mark Conrad site, more of a yellow/red pattern? And do we see this same coloration on the cuff buttons and collar details? And then there are the line NCOs to consider. Do THEY have metallic gold bands around the shako, collar and cuffs? |
| Major Bloodnok | 28 Mar 2019 3:17 a.m. PST |
as far I as understan It is not going to a strip of solid gold on the cuffs and collars. It will be a "galoon", a woven lace, of gold or imitation gold threads. The galloon would be sewn to the edge of the collars, cuffs, and the shako top. Not any different than the gold or silver lace that is seen on French officer's shakos, or British officer's button-hole lace. |
| Widowson | 29 Mar 2019 1:01 p.m. PST |
It looks to me very much like some other color (red?) is woven into the galloon. This shows up on Marc Conrad's site, as well as the box art on the new Redbox set. |
| Prince of Essling | 01 Apr 2019 2:31 p.m. PST |
From Russian illustrations it looks as if it is a combination of red and yellow. Top and bottom rings of yellow red infill with a series of yellow egg (or diamond) shapes on their sides connected together but the centre of the eggs (?diamonds) are red. |
| Widowson | 09 Apr 2019 4:55 p.m. PST |
Prince of Essling, It may very well be that the use of "yellow" in an illustration is merely a lack of the ability to print "gold" on a web site or paper. The verbal descriptions all say "gold". It's only the illustrations that look "yellow." The description of collar "Prelitzi" (sp?) in Viskovitov describes different colors used in the 4 different guard infantry regiments, which makes me wonder if your description of red and "gold" applies only to the first regiment, the others having their own distinctive color mixed into the gold galloons. |
| Prince of Essling | 13 Apr 2019 2:09 a.m. PST |
@Widowson, On closer inspection not egg shaped but diamond shaped: link
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link Gold colour for musicians and NCOs. The colour for all the guards shakos does appear to be red, not changed according to facing colours. Privates yellow. You might find this illustrated adaption of Mark Conrad's translation useful – PDF link |
| Widowson | 13 Apr 2019 8:45 p.m. PST |
Essling, Very useful stuff, especially the illustrations added to Conrad's translation. I wonder – has anyone ever seen, in a museum or such, and ACTUAL guard uniform from the period? |
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