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swammeyjoe04 Mar 2019 6:48 p.m. PST

I picked up the PDFs of Battlegroup Overlord in Fall of '16, not sure if they've updated since. I was looking them over this evening to figure out what needed painting for my German Infantry platoon (which I purchased and sorted 2+ years ago based on a variety of sources) and I'm confused on the organization they list.

Seems like they use 8 man squads for 1944 German Grenadiers whereas every other source (Bayonet Strength, Osprey, Stephen Bull) shows squads of 9? And the platoon command squad seems a little bigger too, which might account for the "missing" squad leaders, but seems like an odd way to present it.

Thoughts?

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP05 Mar 2019 6:55 a.m. PST

I've played quite a few games, and it seems to work well. Don't notice the missing man. May be author's way of representing the lower manpower of the German Army by this time. In the the Barbarossa book, for example, the German Infantry squad is 10 men (7-man rifle group and a 3-man LMG team.)

swammeyjoe05 Mar 2019 9:40 a.m. PST

Yeah I believe in Early '44 they dropped from 10 men to 9. And started the war with 12.

"US Army Handbook on German Military Forces" written in 1945 as a reference for servicemen also lists 9 to a squad (6 Rifles, 2 SMG and an LMG/pistol) in the 1944 Rifle Company.

Just seems odd that everywhere else they follow TO&E.

Starfury Rider05 Mar 2019 11:06 a.m. PST

The standard Rifle Squad was certainly authorised 9 men in 1944. It did shift to 8 with the final version of the Volks Grenadier Coy of late 1944, but that was because the rifle grenadiers were lumped in with Pl HQ. As noted perhaps they're writing the figure down for units garrisoning western Europe.

Gary

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