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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Feb 2019 2:27 p.m. PST

"When Panthers rolled alongside Tiger tanks on the Eastern Front, eyebrows were certainly raised at the Soviet High Command. How to overcome these mechanical beasts, whose firepower was only surpassed by their armor?

Well, by introducing one of the heaviest self-propelled artillery pieces of the war―the famous ISU-152…."
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Amicalement
Armand

Mobius Supporting Member of TMP20 Feb 2019 8:52 p.m. PST

They didn't fact check this.
From the T-34 at Kursk thread.
SU-152 "Beasts Killer" (24 TANKS)
Not ISU-152.

And this was at the northern front where there were not that many Panthers if any.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP21 Feb 2019 10:57 a.m. PST

Glup!…

Amicalement
Armand

Aethelflaeda was framed In the TMP Dawghouse22 Feb 2019 9:25 a.m. PST

Easy to get them confused. For years I thought the SU was a western abbreviation while ISU what Russians used. Played too much panzerblitz as a kid.

ernieR22 Feb 2019 12:46 p.m. PST

is the first photo in the article a model ?

1) it's the only shot 'in the wild' in color
2) it's the only shot with no description

Mark 122 Feb 2019 1:31 p.m. PST

They didn't fact check this.
From the T-34 at Kursk thread.
SU-152 "Beasts Killer" (24 TANKS)
Not ISU-152.

Don't disagree with the facts, but I'm not sure this is fair as a criticism of the linked article.

From the article:


Following the development of its predecessor―the SU-152―which was fitted on the chassis of the already outdated KV-1 tank, the ISU used the platform of the newly-developed IS tank series.

… its offensive role proved pivotal during battles in urban areas such as Berlin, Budapest, and Königsberg …

After first rolling off the factory tracks in December 1943, it went into mass production, eventually leading to 1,885 units manufactured by the end of the war. …

I would agree that the article is not particularly explicit and clear that it was in fact the SU-152 that played the much-storied (and more correctly minimal) role at Kursk, but it is not for lack of fact-checking.

On the facts they have it about right. On organization and writing they fall a bit short…

I wonder, though, at this particular statement:

…the ISU used the platform of the newly-developed IS tank series. This gave way to a vehicle practically immune to most of the German anti-tank arsenal.

Immune to most German AT arsenal? Immune? I might give it credit for being more resistant than a T-34-85 to the most often-faced weapon(s), but not "practically immune", and not to most of the arsenal (which implies most of the variety of weapons, not just the one or two most common weapons).

It was built on the chassis of the IS tank. And the IS-2m hull was indeed "practically immune" to most of the German AT arsenal. But the ISU-152? I don't think it had anywhere near the protection of an IS-2m hull.

Do I have this wrong?

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Mobius Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2019 2:05 p.m. PST

I guess I took this to mean the ISU-152 was at the battle of Kursk, not that long after the battle of Kursk.

After the Battle of Kursk, the ISU-152 was provided with armor-piercing rounds as its tank-killer potential was fully acknowledged.

To conduct the fire, the ISU-152 was equipped with two gun scopes-telescopic ST-10 for direct firing and panorama of Hertz for firing from closed positions. The telescopic sight of the St-10 was graded for sighting shooting at a distance of up to 900 m. However, the range of the shot howitzer-cannon ML-20c amounted to 13 km, and for shooting at a distance of more than 900 m

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