"Peter Pig starts work on new Bloody Barons" Topic

Over 2019 The Peter Pig rules arm (RFCM) will be renewing Bloody Barons (Dedicated Wars of the roses rules). This means that the current set of BB will still be on sale for the next 5 years.At the end of 2019 the new and revised set will be come available too. Being the leader in gridded miniature battles (since Conquerors and Kings in 1998), BB2 (working title) will bring in yet more new ideas. This time the game table will be split into left, right, centre parts. Then each shared into forward and reserve zones for each player. Thus we have 12 zones. The zones will not be marked upon the table, but the scenery items will loosely and adequately define the zones. So no need for a tape measure.
The 15mm table size will be 4x3 feet. The 25mm table size will be 6x4 feet. The 54mm table size will be 8 x 6 feet.
I will keep this TMP message board updated with progress because i hope there is interest.

I'm a bit confused – is BB now going to be a grid based game or not.

A couple of thoughts (you no doubt already have in hand:

- Reduce amount of cavalry to historic levels. Most players here seem to automatically max out 2 units with as many mounted bodyguards as possible.

- Proper Cavalry v Cavalry rules, please

- a bit of differentiation as to which side can field what

I do think the existing rules are generally fine, so for me – not to many drastic changes, please!

Hello Nick
Grids. Because there only 12 zones. The pieces of scenery (6 of)that are positioned should make it easy for players to know which zone they are in(?) The scenery pieces will be as big as a zone.

So for 15mm one zone = 9" depth x 16" width?

Will these zones be for movement also – so my unit of retinue will move from zone A to zone B – requiring whatever action points are necessary rather than moving a distance within the zone.

How many units will you be able to have per zone?

How will you deal with diagonal attacks i.e.

X Y Lancastrians
---------
A B Yorkists

A wants to attack Y?

I can see how it works with one unit (one two – one behind the other) works but not with multiple units in a zone.

Quick work Nick. 4 units per zone. Typical army 13 units.
Start of each turn some limited shuffling between zones. Then each zone locked into a ward for that turn.ward moves 1 zone forward or rolls to go sideways.
Each zone contents form a ward (big bucket of troops) . A cannot assault Y. they are committed to X or nothing. A can assault y if alongside. The left, centre nad right and most commonly going to go back and forth like pistons.

These are early days.

This time the game table will be split into left, right, centre parts. Then each shared into forward and reserve zones for each player. Thus we have 12 zones.

Interesting. Did you nick that idea from Lost Battles?

Don't think so? Not read lost battles. i will look it up. I have used the Osprey campaigns for a good background, plus a bunch of other specific WOTR sources. The idea comes from the fact that WOTR armies had a a vanward, main ward and rear ward. Same as in the 2005 version of BB. Hence the three parts. Most armies i expect had a similar layout.

Lost Battles has 5 zones across and 4 deep, so not the same at all. I like the idea of making zones corresponding to the typical 3 'battles' of an army, but how do you handle flanking or treachery by the Stanleys?

Not sure yet Dexter. Those Stanleys…….not to be trusted by either side

Wow, I didn't even know that there was a Wars of the Roses board. Cool!

I too did not know of this board until i stumbled across it whilst trying to avoid posting BB stuff on a headed renaissance board. maybe it will get more popular now??

Lost Battles has 5 zones across and 4 deep, so not the same at all.

12 zones or 20 zones makes no difference. Both are 4 zones deep. Whether you have 3 or 5 zones across doesn't really matter.

but how do you handle flanking or treachery by the Stanleys?

Perhaps you need 5 zones across rather than 3 …

But why?