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WeeSparky21 Jan 2019 2:31 p.m. PST

I have a quick question as to an interpretation of the rules. In the Army book for Great Britain, the Ordinance QF 6 pound is listed as a medium AT gun (making it NOT transportable behind a jeep). It is an option for airborne forces though, but it is still a medium AT gun, but the description states that airborne units had a variation of that system with a smaller gunshield and mounted on a different carriage that allowed it to be towed behind a jeep.

I have searched the errata and faqs I could find online, but I have not found anything for the airborne specific 6pd gun being able to be towed by a jeep.

Does the fluff in the weapons description count as "rules" allowing an airborne force to tow the gun behind a jeep, or are the rules interpreted entirely on semantics, which states that jeeps cannot tow a medium AT gun?

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP21 Jan 2019 2:58 p.m. PST

If it is listed as an option, I would say that that is the rule. It is fact that airborne 6pdrs were towed by jeeps. There is really nothing to discuss.

JARROVIAN Supporting Member of TMP21 Jan 2019 5:16 p.m. PST

There are existing photographs of jeeps towing 6 pdr guns at Arnhem. Both jeeps and guns were modified to fit into gliders.

JARROVIAN Supporting Member of TMP21 Jan 2019 5:24 p.m. PST

see a fine cut down airborne 6pdr anti-tank gun here
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Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP21 Jan 2019 5:32 p.m. PST

The US 57mm A/T gun, which is the equivalent, weighs in at 2,100 lbs..

On good roads and in decent conditions, I suspect it could be done, though normally a halftrack or other heavier vehicle would tow A/T guns instead.

JARROVIAN Supporting Member of TMP21 Jan 2019 6:23 p.m. PST
WeeSparky21 Jan 2019 7:48 p.m. PST

Ok, let me rephrase the question a little.

While playing a game of Bolt Action, would a player be able to tow a medium AT gun with a Jeep? Is there any errata or official ruling stating that this is allowed (per the ruleset).

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP21 Jan 2019 10:28 p.m. PST

I read that the US 3" A/T gun weighs in at around 5,000 lbs., or so, so needed ten men to man-handle it in the field.

Sure, on paved roads that are flat, and well maintained, I suspect you could.

Going up hills, cross-country, or through mud would be very doubtful, since the jeep is a 1/4 ton "truck", so is rated for 500 lbs..

Martin Rapier22 Jan 2019 12:29 a.m. PST

As noted above, in real life jeeps towed 6pdrs. I really couldn't give a fig if some set of rules says you can't.

Dexter Ward22 Jan 2019 5:57 a.m. PST

The 3" AT gun is a much bigger gun than the 57mm/6pdr.
The 'lightened' 6 pdr guns used by Airborne troops could be towed by jeeps.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2019 10:14 p.m. PST

True, but the 3" weapons is a "medium AT gun", mentioned by WeeSparky.

JARROVIAN Supporting Member of TMP24 Jan 2019 4:43 a.m. PST

+1 Martin Rapier

Fred Cartwright26 Jan 2019 1:13 p.m. PST

True, but the 3" weapons is a "medium AT gun", mentioned by WeeSparky.

It may be a "medium" AT gun in Bolt Action, but in real life was bl**dy heavy. Probably the heaviest, most unwieldy gun in its class. The German Pak 40 and Soviet 76mm were significantly lighter.

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