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Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2019 4:46 p.m. PST

Has anyone seen possible images of non Christian goth banners? Any links?

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2019 5:55 p.m. PST

Stosstruppen, when are you looking for? The Goths are already (Arrian) Christians when they show up on the borders of the Roman world in the 4th Century and we start getting written records. They presumably had a pagan period, but in the right use of the word, it's prehistoric.

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2019 8:03 p.m. PST

I don't know much about them. If that is the case what type of banners would work? My warlord has a Draco accompanying him, but I wanted some for the foot units.

GurKhan17 Jan 2019 4:03 a.m. PST

The Goths … show up on the borders of the Roman world in the 4th Century

Tell that to the Emperor Decius!

Perris070717 Jan 2019 6:16 a.m. PST

Check out LBMS site and look at some of the banners that Stephen Hales has created. Lots of good ideas in there.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2019 7:38 a.m. PST

Ouch! My bad GurKhan, and what I deserve for not paying much attention to the 3rd Century. I'd read about it, but it didn't stick or resurface until you reminded me.

I still don't think we have any pre-Christian Goths, though. Agreed the LBMS stuff looks very nice, and a selection of Saxon and Viking banners, avoiding crosses and favoring horses would probably work. Who, after all, can say you're wrong?

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP18 Jan 2019 1:53 p.m. PST

Thanks guys I went for some animal style banners for my foot troops. I appreciate the input.

Lewisgunner27 Jan 2019 2:19 p.m. PST

There are two strands of influence on Pre Christian Goths, one is Early German and the other Sarmatian
Early Germans likely had totemic animal objects such as Stags , boars, eagles. The later Sutton Hoo ‘standard' has a stag on the pole.
Sarmatians carried dracos.
Its likely that the Goths absorbed Dacian tribes and they too carried dracis. As the Gur-khan observed the Goths had their victories so you coukd use one or two captured Roman vexilla, though the experience of Varus' defeat and the Roman revenge suggests that captured standards were dedicated and laid up in sacred groves, but perhaps they could be brought along to remind an enemy of earlier defeats.

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