Paskal | 14 Jan 2019 1:07 a.m. PST |
Hello everyone, Apart from their guns,do you know the differences in equipment (Set of items making up the equipment of the soldier) between arquebusiers and musketeers during FWOR (French War of Religion)? |
Jeff Ewing | 14 Jan 2019 9:54 a.m. PST |
I blush to say most of my knowledge comes from a video game "Pike and Shot," but in that game Harquebusiers are mounted troops, and musketeers are foot. |
Daniel S | 14 Jan 2019 11:38 a.m. PST |
In continental usage "Harquebusier" is simply another word for arquebusiers, the English habit of calling mounted arquebusiers "Harquebusiers" is pretty specific to them. |
Paskal | 14 Jan 2019 1:04 p.m. PST |
We understand each other, I do not speak of the different type of arquebusiers mounted like the argoulets, carabins and dragons, but of those of the infantry … |
Kevin C | 16 Jan 2019 6:29 a.m. PST |
I don't think that the harquebusiers carried rests for their harquebuses, whereas musketeers usually did carry rests for their muskets. |
Paskal | 17 Jan 2019 10:11 a.m. PST |
Yes and for the rest it's the same? |
Daniel S | 17 Jan 2019 10:26 a.m. PST |
One noteworthy distinction is that musketeers typicaly used bandoliers with pre-preparde charges of powders (12 apostles) while harquebusiers relied on powder flask and bullet pouch. Harquebusiers were also much more likely to wear helmets though there were exceptions to this. (But mainly on the eastern front against the Ottomans.) |
Paskal | 18 Jan 2019 12:40 a.m. PST |
No arquebusiers with the 12 Apostles? No powder flask and bullet pouch and kms of locks when we have the 12 Apostles? |
Puster | 18 Jan 2019 5:44 a.m. PST |
Pavia does show Arquebusiers with proto-Apostles, and (some of the) the necklaces with a powder flask shown on the Triumphzug (1519) do have individual packs, too. Other armies may have used other and less individual regulations and equipment, so if your French paid forces looks a bit different, nobody will challenge you to a duel for it… |
Daniel S | 18 Jan 2019 11:20 a.m. PST |
Puster, Indeed, and as you mentioned in another post we see proto-bandoliers in the Tunis paintings as well. But those all predate the French Wars of Religion, by that time powderflask and bullet pouch is very dominant in both images and written records. Indeed I have never seen a written record of bandoliers being issued to arquebusiers. And among images I can't remember one with bandoliers though it is possible that one exists as my collection far from complete. |
Paskal | 19 Jan 2019 12:34 a.m. PST |
The conventions want the bandoliers to be reserved to the musketeers … But I bet there was during the FWOR, musketeers without bandoliers … Bandoliers or not, all the shooters are obliged to have a powder flask for the primer even if he does not have a matchlock … And they also need to reserve a bullet pouch (because for example 12 apostles it is little for the time, even if the rates of fire are slow) and black powder and meters of locks in reserve for those who had a matchlock. |
Daniel S | 19 Jan 2019 4:59 a.m. PST |
A bullet pouch was always part of the bandolier by that part of the period and a powder flask for priming was attached as well, either in the shaped of miniature powderflask or a wooden one which looked very similar to one of the wooden apostles for the main charge link The lower reconstruction based on one from the armoury in Graz lacks it's wooden powder flask, the surviving Styrian bandoliers are often missing several of the apostles due to age but a number of them have the wooden powder flask. I believe the ones with a full set of apostles but no powder flask have been repaired later by using parts of two damaged bandoliers to make one 'complete' for display by 18th or 19th century staff not knowing that there should have a powder flask. (Common problem with a lot of early museum reconstructions and restorations of items.) |
Paskal | 20 Jan 2019 1:03 a.m. PST |
Everything is on the bandolier, there is no more on the belt? |
Paskal | 21 Jan 2019 11:30 p.m. PST |
And the musketeers could use their musket without a bandolier, especially in the sixteenth century, no? |