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MiniPigs10 Jan 2019 8:40 p.m. PST

Which units on either side of the AWI qualify as "Rangers" in more than name only?

I'm interested in opinions about separating Rugged Rangers from Mere Posers

Winston Smith10 Jan 2019 8:51 p.m. PST

If by "Rangers" you mean a "ranging company", the only named Rangers that I would nominate would be Butler's Rangers.

Pan Marek Supporting Member of TMP10 Jan 2019 9:16 p.m. PST

Gotta agree with Winston. Seems that the reputation of "Rangers" in the FIW was such that it was cool to call one's unit "Rangers" in the AWI.

42flanker Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2019 12:42 a.m. PST

The Queen's Rangers under Simcoe were fairly effective. Perhaps they should be seen more as light infantry.

historygamer Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2019 5:42 a.m. PST

The King's Rangers, both north and south:

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Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2019 9:30 a.m. PST

*singing*
"I want to be a Rugged Ranger!"

Virginia Tory11 Jan 2019 1:01 p.m. PST

It's not like there was a Ranger tab back then.

Virginia Tory11 Jan 2019 1:01 p.m. PST

Butler's Rangers?

oldnorthstate12 Jan 2019 7:43 a.m. PST

During the 1776 campaign a unit composed of "picked men" and riflemen, totaling 150, referred to by Washington and others as Rangers, were deployed regularly to gather intelligence and undertake difficult missions. This unit triggered the skirmish that eventually grew into the Battle of Harlem Heights. At Fort Washington it was composed of riflemen from two previous rifle regiments that had been decimated by the campaign. It surrendered along with 2,700 others when the Fort fell and I haven't seen reference to the Rangers again in Washington's correspondence. I think the phrase picked men was used consistently to reference units of this type.

42flanker Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2019 5:08 p.m. PST

Knowlton's Rangers. The future of the unit was compromised by their commanding officer and founder, Colonel Thomas Knowlton, being mortally wounded in the Harlem Heights action.

Wasn't Nathan Hale, hanged for a spy in New York some days later, also a member of the unit- or is that just a rumour?

Bill N12 Jan 2019 10:33 p.m. PST

I think your chronology is backwards ONS. The rifle unit that gave the Hessians trouble north of the fort was the Maryland & Virginia Rifle Regiment. At the time of Fort Washington it was still in formation, which in part explains how around a third of the troops survived to continue fighting in two ad hoc companies.

oldnorthstate15 Jan 2019 2:54 p.m. PST

Bill N.

The Maryland Virginia Rifle unit was deployed north of the Fort and did tangle with the Hessians but the Rangers were deployed south of the Fort, with two PA regiments and were pushed back by Lord Percy and then the landing of the 42nd Highland on their flank.

Knowlton was the commander of the Rangers until dying at Harlem Heights and I do believe Hale was a member of the unit at one time.

Bill N15 Jan 2019 6:38 p.m. PST

OK so different units.

What caught me was the reference to them being "composed of riflemen from two previous rifle regiments". My difficulty with this statement is that I can only account for three rifle regiments in Washington's Army during the New York campaign. The Maryland & Pennsylvania Rifle Regt. We agree was north of the Fort. Hand's First Continentals, which incorporated most of the troops from Thompson's Rifle corps of 1775, wasn't present at Fort Washington. I believe the Pennsylvania State Rifle Regiment (battalion?) also was not present. So I don't know which rifle regiments the troops would have been formed from. Is it possible that these troops were rifle armed men drawn from regular regiments or battalions?

oldnorthstate15 Jan 2019 8:14 p.m. PST

Unfortunately there were men referred to as "riflemen" and units referred to as "rifle regiments" or "musket regiments". At Fort Washington men from Atlee's and Miles regiments made up the bulk of the Rangers.

In the July returns for the Continental Army on Long Island Atlee is listed as commanding a "Pennsylvania Musketry" regiment although Sullivan ordered this regiment to relieve Hand's Rifle regiment at the start of the Battle of Brooklyn, so they must have had the ability to perform some of the same light infantry duties.

Miles is completely different, being shown as commanding two battalions of "rifle", totaling over 800 men in the July returns. Both battalions were deployed on the American left flank and were responsible, to the degree anyone was, for watching the Jamaica Pass…both battalions missed the British approach until it was too late.

MiniPigs19 Jan 2019 9:22 a.m. PST

Were Butlers Rangers primarily the equivalent of American rifles? Did they basically just skirmish and actually have rifles or did they fight in the line with muskets and bayonets?

historygamer Supporting Member of TMP19 Jan 2019 1:23 p.m. PST

Butlers fought on the northwestern frontier in present day PA, NY, VA, and I think WVA. They were armed with muskets, but never fought in a linear battle line I am aware of.

Winston Smith25 Jan 2019 10:17 p.m. PST

Butler's Rangers would use a bayonet to skewer a rabbit for the fire. Fight with it? It would be a clumsy dagger at best.

nevinsrip26 Jan 2019 2:12 a.m. PST

butlersrangers.com

Good re-enactor site.

historygamer Supporting Member of TMP26 Jan 2019 8:54 a.m. PST

Using a bayonet or ramrod to cook good is a good wayto of ruining them. LoL. I've seen it happen.

Virginia Tory26 Jan 2019 8:55 p.m. PST

Especially don't try to make bread with one.

RudyNelson28 Jan 2019 4:30 p.m. PST

I disagree on the limitations. There were a number of Ranger units in the South. Their value was not ignored by the British there. Col Browne raised several units of Rangers including the Florida Rangers and the Carolina Rangers.
Rangers were crucial in monitoring the Spanish advance along the Gulf coast and participated with Creeks and other volunteers in the French Village raids at Mobile after it had been captured.

Frontier ranging companies participated on both sides in the Georgia area and South Carolina.

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