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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian07 Jan 2019 6:34 p.m. PST

Who was the best battlefield commander of the war?

Personal logo Jlundberg Supporting Member of TMP07 Jan 2019 7:39 p.m. PST

Edward IV

advocate08 Jan 2019 12:01 a.m. PST

Edward IV

nsolomon9908 Jan 2019 2:16 a.m. PST

Yep, Edward IV, not even close … Warwick was a politician first and foremost.

BillyNM08 Jan 2019 3:57 a.m. PST

Napoleon always said lucky generals were better than good ones, and Ed-IV was about as jammy as it comes… This unbelievable luck extends to his becoming king without any legitimate claim – no wonder his brothers were bitter and the fighting restarted after his death.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2019 9:01 a.m. PST

This unbelievable luck extends to his becoming king without any legitimate claim

Uh… well, Henry IV usurped the throne from Richard II, so Henry V and Henry VI (and the whole House of Lancaster) had somewhat suspect claims to begin with. Edward IV was a direct male descendant of Edward III, so his claim was pretty much as legitimate at that point as anybody else's. Besides which, can you imagine that vicious brat of Margaret's on the throne? (Where do you think the inspiration for GOT's Joffrey came from?)

By that point the line of succession was a genealogical muddle anyway…

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2019 9:02 a.m. PST

I know very little about the war but I think Ian McKellen was an excellent general.

MajorB08 Jan 2019 9:32 a.m. PST

I know very little about the war but I think Ian McKellen was an excellent general.


Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2019 9:43 a.m. PST

For a Politician I would say the Kingmaker did rather well on the battlefield. But I agree that he was no soldier or tactician like Eddy.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2019 2:33 p.m. PST


Ian McKellen well known general and king during the WOTR

Old Peculiar08 Jan 2019 2:38 p.m. PST

Jockey of Norfolk!

coopman08 Jan 2019 3:41 p.m. PST

They better be good or they might lose their heads after the battle.

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2019 4:02 p.m. PST

Edward IV, without a doubt!

GGouveia08 Feb 2019 10:03 p.m. PST

Edward IV in a landslide.

Mithmee30 May 2019 11:20 a.m. PST

I would have to say Edward IV as well.

He was able to take the field after his dad lost at Wakefield and just destroy the Lancasters.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2019 2:52 p.m. PST

He wasn't around long but Andrew Trollope deserves an honourable mention.

Mithmee07 Jun 2019 11:35 a.m. PST

Though he did get himself kill at the Battle of Towton, which was Edward's 2nd battle.

MajorB15 Jul 2019 10:16 a.m. PST

Sir Robert Ogle

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Jul 2019 1:00 a.m. PST

Yes, Ian M is the one to watch.

Warspite125 Nov 2019 4:00 a.m. PST

Edward IV was either lucky, astute or well-advised. Probably a bit of all three.

For sheer skill and persistence I would rate John De Vere, Earl of Oxenford (now called Oxford) for his ability to rally his men from a successful pursuit at Barnet in 1471 and then attempt to flank Edward's centre. Then we have his successful participation in Bosworth in 1485 and Stoke Field in 1487. His failure at Barnet was not his fault, it was a friendly fire from former enemies which stopped him.

While Oxenford is sometimes criticised for his actions at Stoke Field it is ground which I have well trodden and I suspect his early attack was an attempt to get the German-speaking pike off the high ground and down to where Henry's troops – arriving later – could deal with them. As such it may be less precipitate and fool-hardy and rather more a planned tactic.

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