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MDavout04 Jan 2019 11:21 a.m. PST

I have a set of rules that I have been working on over the last couple of years. Much of the infantry sections are now complete. The next step is calibration. That is to say, do the rules actually reflect what happened. As a first step, I selected Vandamme's assault on Stare Vinohardy. Right now, I am working with two sources; Robert Goetz's '1805: Austerlitz' , and Scott Bowden's 'The Glory Years'. The two sources differ a bit on what actually happened. The one thing that they should not differ on is the OOB. Goetz has GdB Ferey commanding the 46 and 57th Ligne and GdB Candras commanding the 4th and 28th Ligne. Bowden has the the two commanders reversed. I checked Nafzinger but his OOB doesn't indicate who commaned what regiments. I have the book from Ian Castle on order. Perhaps he can shed for light on this discrepancy. Has anybody else come across this problem before>

Last Hussar04 Jan 2019 2:33 p.m. PST

You when people say "I only play historical scenarios"? Well, they don't…

gboue200105 Jan 2019 11:47 a.m. PST

You should check the only quite reliable secondary source from D'Alombert et Colin
link


Especially the "Annexes et Cartes " volume.
Too sad if you don't speak a little bit of french language for your wargaming project.

Gboue

MDavout07 Jan 2019 7:50 a.m. PST

Great Source. Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately the Annexes et Cartes doesn't associate GdB's with specific regiments.

Major Bloodnok07 Jan 2019 8:48 a.m. PST

This is copied from a Nafziger OOB for Austerlitz that I have.
IV Corps: Maréchal Soult
Division: Général de division Vandamme
Brigade: Général de brigade Schiner
24th Demi-brigade Légère (l29l)
4th Demi-brigade (l658)
Brigade: Général de brigade Fery
28th Demi-Brigade (l599)
46th Demi-brigade (l350)
Brigade: Général de brigade Candras
57th Demi-brigade (l743)
Artillery:
Det/5th Foot Artillery (ll7)
? bis Train (l32
Is this what you are looking for or are you looking for the regimental / demi-brigade commanders?

Mike the Analyst07 Jan 2019 9:35 a.m. PST

gboue a nice find. The series seems to stop at the Krems in V4 and there seems to be some volumes missing. Do you know what the full series was when published?

Prince of Essling07 Jan 2019 11:24 a.m. PST

The modern 2002 facsimile has:
Tome 1, vol.1, "Preìliminaires de la guerre" et "La Grande Armeìe" ;
Tome 1, vol.2, "Documents annexes : composition des troupes, itineìraire de l'armeìe, cartes en noir et en coul." ;
Tome 2, "Du Rhin au Danube" ;
Tome 3, vol.1 et vol.2, "Ulm" ;
Tome 4, "Saint-Poelten et Krems" ;
Tome 5, "Hollabrünn" et "Austerlitz."

I have not been able to track down a free downloadable copy of Tome 5.

Mike the Analyst07 Jan 2019 12:25 p.m. PST

Thanks PoE, so I have PDF of all except vol V.

HappyHussar Supporting Member of TMP07 Jan 2019 2:43 p.m. PST

I used Bowden for the organizational setup … Goetz for the numbers.

Goetz did an excellent job of forever removing the myth that the Russians outnumbered the French 85-87k to 78k. Goetz did his homework and discovered that the Russians had less men on the field at Austerlitz.

I find Goetz Russian Garde org. listing a tad off. I went with Bowden because he seemed to have a better org chart.

So for Vandamme … go with Goetz for the numbers … go with Bowden for the org and officer names.

Hope that helps.

Mike the Analyst08 Jan 2019 2:47 a.m. PST

To finish the Alombert and Colin Volume 5 question. It would appear that this was not part of the original series when published in 1902-8, rather it was added to the 2002 reprint this 5th volume containing the multi-part article by J Colin, "la campagne de 1805 en Allemagne" and other articles originally published in the Revue d'Histoire 1905-8

(from Goetz Bibliography found on Google Books).

Prince of Essling08 Jan 2019 3:19 a.m. PST

Revue d'histoire rédigée à l'État-major de l'armée (covering parts of Austerlitz)
link
link

Prince of Essling08 Jan 2019 5:02 a.m. PST

Useful listing for the Austro-Russian army at link

Prince of Essling11 Jan 2019 3:15 a.m. PST

See post by Scott Bowden on the Napoleon series website admitting he accidentally got the the brigade commanders in the wrong order due to how they were listed in the French original records: link

MDavout11 Jan 2019 11:35 a.m. PST

Prince of Essling – thanks so much for running this down. As well, I appreciate the various references you have provided along the way. This will really help enhance my knowlege and provide sources of information I was not aware of.

For those following the this thread, Robert Goetz's OOB for Vandamme's division is correct:

1st Brigade (Schiner) 24th Leger
2nd Brigade (Ferey) 57th & 46th Ligne
3rd Brigade (Candras) 4th & 28th Ligne

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