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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian03 Jan 2019 6:47 p.m. PST

The ability to move merchants and armies through the sea at will—and to prevent an opponent from moving theirs—typically is referred to as "command of the sea."…


Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP03 Jan 2019 7:00 p.m. PST


Other than in littoral Chinese and Russian waters, who can challenge or rival the US Navy on the "high seas"?

No one.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian03 Jan 2019 7:00 p.m. PST

So far I don't think anyone else is even close

john snelling03 Jan 2019 8:01 p.m. PST


jurgenation Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2019 4:09 a.m. PST one close to our projection Navy.

rustymusket Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2019 8:15 a.m. PST

As Thresher01 said. At least from what I have read and heard. I am definitely no defense expert, though.

Walking Sailor04 Jan 2019 9:07 a.m. PST

The problem is that the US lacks a Merchant Navy.

David Manley04 Jan 2019 12:03 p.m. PST

Depends on whether you are after additional funding. If yes then of course it has :)

Lion in the Stars04 Jan 2019 12:19 p.m. PST

I think we're actually getting close.

With 10 carriers in service, we only have 3 deployed at any one time. One carrier cannot control the Atlantic, let alone the Pacific.

Timmo uk04 Jan 2019 1:27 p.m. PST

Of the seven carriers not at sea how quickly could they deploy a couple more? Nobody else even has three in total.

NavyVet04 Jan 2019 2:35 p.m. PST

Guys most of you are thinking like this is the 1990's. Their is no Soviet Navy now like there was in the 90's. No large surface fleet and no large submarine fleet like existed in the 90's. Both Russia and China would have problems gaining access to the open ocean in the face of opposition from the USN and its allies. I am sure that the USN has given a great deal of thought on how bottle up both China in the South China Sea and Russia both in the Baltic and Barents Seas. No the USN has not lost command of the sea now or in the foreseeable future.

Lion in the Stars04 Jan 2019 5:04 p.m. PST

We could probably get 3 more carriers 'surged' within 60 days, depending on where they are in their maintenance and workup cycles. One is just about guaranteed to be stuck in serious maintenance taking more than 6 months to finish, and the last 3 might be deployable within 6 months.

If you have 4 crises blow up on you, one is not going to get a carrier deployed to it.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP04 Jan 2019 11:35 p.m. PST

How many cargo ships/tankers can be outfitted with F-35 jumpjets, not to mention our amphib vessels which are already capable of carrying them?

Of course, there's the burning decks issue, but I suspect someone will come up with a workaround to deal with that.

Lion in the Stars05 Jan 2019 3:54 p.m. PST

There's quite a difference in capability between 60-80 aircraft on a carrier and 12-20 F35s on a 'phib.

Not to mention the general lack of combat escorts in an Amphibious Ready Group. Those are usually an LHA/LHD, an LPD, and an LSD. No frigates, no destroyers, no cruisers.

David Manley09 Jan 2019 11:58 p.m. PST

"How many cargo ships/tankers can be outfitted with F-35 jumpjets," having seen the onboard infrastructure required to support F35 I'd take a guess at "none"

RudyNelson10 Jan 2019 10:14 a.m. PST

With both massive submarine and ‘over the horizon' capabilities, the US can interdict enemy shipping.

As mentioned the lack of a merchant navy would hinder the US ability to transport our forces. When I was in the First Cavalry we conducted Reforger excercises and transported and entire brigade via ship. A daunting task and it would be even more difficult with an active enemy force.

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