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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP31 Dec 2018 10:27 p.m. PST

Hello everyone,

In the sixteenth century, there was no uniform in the European armies, but there were nevertheless dress styles and equipment for each nationality.

So we can recognize who was what at first.

This was indeed the case during the wars in Italy …

Thus, nowadays, with the main figures of 25/30 mm for the wars of Italy, one can easily distinguish the Swiss from lansquenets, from Spanish ect …

During the eight wars of religion in France in 1562-1598, there were still no uniforms in the European armies, but dress styles and equipment for each nationality, the problem is that it there are only lansquenets that can be recognized at first glance…

And it seems that there is less choice in lead figurines for these wars than for the wars in Italy …

For example, for these eight wars of religion in France from 1562-1598, it is impossible to find 25/30 mm lead figures specifically representing the Swiss, because no factory designs Swiss figurines for the eight wars of religion in France from 1562-1598.

Someone has addresses of factories proposing figurines of specific nationality (except English …)especially Swiss for the eight wars of religion in France of 1562-1598 (except Old Glory)?

Rakkasan01 Jan 2019 3:25 a.m. PST

Wargames Foundry has 16th Century Swiss:
link

Warlord Games has the following:
link

GurKhan01 Jan 2019 7:13 a.m. PST

See link

And Druzhina, as ever, has some relevant pictures – see warfare.gq/16/Swiss.htm

Phillius Supporting Member of TMP01 Jan 2019 1:30 p.m. PST

As far as I am aware, no one makes actual Swiss for that period. Don't TAG do lansknecths in pluderhosen now? Some of them might do. And Old Glory do the same.

The Warlord WoR foot look pretty much like English troops to me, but are probably generic western European. Not sure I would use them as The Royal Swiss though.

Good luck hunting.

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Jan 2019 3:29 p.m. PST

TAG does Swiss and Landsknechts (different lines) for the French WOR.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP01 Jan 2019 11:09 p.m. PST

Thank you all:

@Rakkasan:

The Swiss Wargames Foundry are Early 16th Century Swiss Renaissance, nothing to do with the Swiss of the FWOR (French wars of religion) whose costumes themselves evolve a lot between 1562 and 1598.

In the sixteenth century, there were no uniform in the European armies, but there were still dresses and equipment for each nationality.

So we can recognize who was what at first.

Also those of Warlord Games are unusable for Swiss of the FWOR.

@GurKhan:

Bravo it's exactly what I was looking for, it is the best document known on them (someone gave it to me but I could not find it anymore)but would have to find others …

Here is what is interesting about Druzhina

warfare.gq/16/Suysse.htm

link

link

@ Phillius and @ Puster:

The Swiss and Vallois range of TAG are for the first half of the sixteenth century, not for the FWOR.

In the range Imperial, Habsburg TAG, some Late Landsknecht in pluderhosen are usable, those whose pluderhosen stop at the knees, 3 figures out of 40 and still sometimes you have to change their heads!

The landsknecht in pluderhosen of Old Glory are the best landsknecht in pluderhosen on the market, but they are unusable for Swiss of FWOR and it is necessary to add to them their scarves.

For the tudors their participation in the FWORs are so ridiculous that they are not worth it, moreover
In the sixteenth century, there were no uniform in the European armies, but there were still dresses and equipment for each nationality.

So we can recognize who was what at first.

In the FWOR the tudors are only usable for themselves.

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Jan 2019 8:54 a.m. PST

The Swiss of TAG are a bit off for the "first half" – I would say they work from around 1540 to 1570, so they would work for the early FWOR.
Their Pluderhosen-Landsknechts are a bit later, if anything. I would use them for 1550 to around 1570+ (not later then 1580).

Depends on what you are looking for, though.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP06 Jan 2019 10:56 p.m. PST

@ Puster:

Not agree with you, the Swiss of TAG are valid for the end of François 1st but not a second for the FWOR.

Besides, if that were the case, they would not have missed to design them otherwise …

I had intinctive doubts when I knew what was called the range and the first time I saw them I understood everything.

You would not even be able to use them for the end of the reign of Henri II or for the battle of Saint-Quentin.

Their Landsknechts in pluderhosen are usable, but the Old Glory is the best landsknecht in pluderhosen on the market but it is necessary to add to them their scarves …

The gendarmes, archers, light horse and argoulet in the trade – including those of Old GLory – do not suit me…

Only the infantry, reitres and gunners of Old Glory are valid for the FWOR …

By cons when you want English from the time of the FWOR, there are never problems.

Tricorne197117 Jan 2019 8:37 a.m. PST

Of all companies, Platoon 20 made a great line of Swiss for this period. I have a couple hundred painted. I wonder where the original molds went. They were 25mm compatable with the early Wargames Foundry range.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2019 9:36 a.m. PST

Platoon 20 of East Riding Miniatures?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP19 Jan 2019 11:54 p.m. PST

@ Tricorne1971,

Okay, thank you very much, but these famous Swiss sold by Platoon 20, if it was the Lamming Miniatures, they are not for the FWOR …

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