Editor in Chief Bill | 31 Dec 2018 7:29 p.m. PST |
If you were to play Waterloo on the tabletop, which scale of figures would you use? |
JMcCarroll | 31 Dec 2018 7:39 p.m. PST |
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Saber6 | 31 Dec 2018 7:49 p.m. PST |
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warwell | 31 Dec 2018 7:57 p.m. PST |
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robert piepenbrink | 31 Dec 2018 8:14 p.m. PST |
Sigh. By myself, here in my home in a day? 5/6mm. With 20 friends, in spacious quarters, broken into segments over a year? 30mm. (Yes, I've done it.) If you want to do the whole thing at one time, probably the upper limit is 1"=25 yards or the table becomes too deep to reach across. For me, that suggests you need 15mm castings if you want battalions, but there's no reason you couldn't do it with 28mm figures representing brigades. But 5/6mm at 1"=75 yards is perfectly reasonable if that's what you have the troops and table for. |
DisasterWargamer | 31 Dec 2018 8:15 p.m. PST |
6mm – Though would love to see it in a larger scale |
miniMo | 31 Dec 2018 8:50 p.m. PST |
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nsolomon99 | 31 Dec 2018 8:59 p.m. PST |
Done the whole battle, several times, in 15mm. Its a little stretch but you can scale it to a reasonable table size with a couple of extra tables, Plancenoit, the French Reserves, the Brussels Road, etc. |
McLaddie | 31 Dec 2018 10:05 p.m. PST |
The scale that fits your table. |
Sho Boki | 31 Dec 2018 10:10 p.m. PST |
6mm, but 8mm and 10mm are also playable. |
Lets party with Cossacks | 31 Dec 2018 11:29 p.m. PST |
10mm, but you will need Sho's new figures to come into production to do it (the others are all a bit of a compromise). |
Martin Rapier | 01 Jan 2019 2:20 a.m. PST |
I've done it in 6mm, 15mm and 20mm. If doing it again, I'd do it in 6mm as I've sold all my larger scale Napoleonics. |
MajorB | 01 Jan 2019 2:38 a.m. PST |
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langobard | 01 Jan 2019 3:17 a.m. PST |
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smltptac | 01 Jan 2019 3:41 a.m. PST |
15mm – units as infantry and cavalry brigades, and artillery batteries! |
advocate | 01 Jan 2019 5:06 a.m. PST |
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keithbarker | 01 Jan 2019 5:07 a.m. PST |
6mm if you want to do the whole of waterloo on a reasonable size table. |
nickinsomerset | 01 Jan 2019 5:29 a.m. PST |
Have done it in 15mm as smlttac, on a 12 x 6 table, a few times. Worked well. Also in 15mm on 3 18 x 6 tables at Bn level, good but required 10 per side and a team of umpires. After 2 solid days did not even reach the stage for the Prussians (Played by German club members) to arrive! |
Joes Shop | 01 Jan 2019 6:23 a.m. PST |
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Sho Boki | 01 Jan 2019 6:51 a.m. PST |
Waterloo battlefield may be a little tight for 15mm figs.
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JimDuncanUK | 01 Jan 2019 7:01 a.m. PST |
The best answer is 28mm of course. You'll need about 20,000 figures and a very large table. Coming to Scotland this June: waterlooreplayed.com |
Wackmole9 | 01 Jan 2019 7:26 a.m. PST |
28mm is my choice and not to play in but to build. MY local club did a 200th anniversary game in june of 2015 Link YouTube link |
USAFpilot | 01 Jan 2019 8:05 a.m. PST |
Ground scale or figure scale? Actually figure scale is irrelevant. In fact figure scale has more to do with the size of the playing surface. Large table, than use large figures (28mm), so you can see what you are looking at from across the table. If small table or playing a skirmish game, than use small figures (6mm). |
Winston Smith | 01 Jan 2019 8:06 a.m. PST |
I'm glad my local club isn't daft enough to do it. |
rustymusket | 01 Jan 2019 8:29 a.m. PST |
6 mm just to keep it simple and fast moving for large game rules. |
Whirlwind | 01 Jan 2019 8:36 a.m. PST |
Since I would be doing it at home on a fairly small table, 6mm, as I did last time link
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T Callahan | 01 Jan 2019 9:57 a.m. PST |
6mm, did a Waterloo game three time in 2015 using 6mm figures on a 10x5 table. |
coopman | 01 Jan 2019 11:51 a.m. PST |
One of the many boardgames on the topic may be the best option for doing the entire battle. |
The Tin Dictator | 01 Jan 2019 12:31 p.m. PST |
We did it in 15mm on the 200th anniversary. |
Dances with Clydesdales | 01 Jan 2019 1:17 p.m. PST |
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Glenn Pearce | 01 Jan 2019 3:05 p.m. PST |
Have done it a couple of times in 25mm. It was a nightmare in logistics, table size, players and of course all of the buildings were hopelessly out of scale. Other then being able to say I played in the game it was an overall waste of time. Also have done it about four times in 6mm. Logistics were greatly improved, table size was manageable 5'x 9', required fewer players. Buildings were still out of scale but were a lot closer so movement made much more sense. Plan to do it again in 6mm, fabulous look, feel and can be done in a day! What could be better! |
Rudysnelson | 01 Jan 2019 3:12 p.m. PST |
15mm with 10mm as a back up due to cost if you are having to buy and field all armies yourself. |
TMPWargamerabbit | 01 Jan 2019 5:46 p.m. PST |
25/28mm for this rabbit. Have all the Dutch-Beligans, Nassau, Hanoverian, French, Swiss, Poles, Brunswick units painted. Working on the British for a possible game in June 2020 on 20x6 "L" bend main table and with rear zone tables set up. Already done Ligny as a scenario, Warve the Prussian are ready and once the British painted play out Quarte Bras prior to Waterloo grand finale. Ground scale will be 50 yards to tabletop inch and miniature ratio 90:1 I expect. |
sausagesca | 01 Jan 2019 7:18 p.m. PST |
Scale of figures is really irrelevant. Unit foot print and base size is far more important since you can either put a few 28s on those bases or many more 10mm, for example. We play all the big battles using Shako II at the battalion level. Every unit represented on large tables, granted. Our units are 12 figs for foot, 6 for horse and 2 guns/crew for batteries. all with a unit frontage in line of about 5-6 inches. We could do the exact same thing on the same table size using more 15mm figure or even more 6 mm figures. Up to you what you think looks good. |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 02 Jan 2019 2:17 a.m. PST |
I'm working on 54mm…. Mike |
marshalGreg | 02 Jan 2019 7:29 a.m. PST |
Played it in 28mm with some 16+ players on 3 tables at a ground scale of 1" to 50 paces ( ~38yds). This was an Anniversary game at West point in 2015. Again in 15mm AoE ground scale of 1" to 75yd and Again in 6mm at ~ 1" to 75yd Both at Historicon I believe this question is pretty cheeky… so thus agree with Sausagesca & You play with the best/most complete collection(s) and table size available. |
ChrisBBB2 | 02 Jan 2019 9:49 a.m. PST |
I would instinctively have said 6mm, which is what we used for our display game at SOFO in the anniversary year: link and again here: link But I see we fought exactly the same scenario, on the same size table (6'x4' @ 1" = 125m), with 15mm here: link The 15mm does look prettiest. Maybe I'll compromise and say 10mm. Chris Bloody Big BATTLES! link |
DeRuyter | 02 Jan 2019 11:09 a.m. PST |
6mm scale for the whole battle (on the anniversary), or the whole campaign. 15mm for parts of it. The best was 1:1 scale – watching the reenactment for the bicentenary! |
Winston Smith | 02 Jan 2019 2:36 p.m. PST |
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Lord Hill | 02 Jan 2019 5:15 p.m. PST |
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4th Cuirassier | 04 Jan 2019 5:31 a.m. PST |
It's all about the table space. If you have a 5' by 8' table, you can fit, empirically, about 400 20 to 28mm figures a side onto that, while still having adequate room for flanking manoeuvres, etc. If 800 x 28mm figures is the max for that table size, then to do Waterloo on it, the 800 figures have to stand in for about 160,000 men. That's the peak number that were still on their feet at any time (75,000 plus 75,000 plus 50,000, minus losses). Ergo one figure is 200 men. A battalion is about three figures, the Union brigade is five figures, and d'Erlon's corps is 80 or so figures in four divisions of 20 figures. Rulesets in which battalions, brigades and divisions are that small just don't cut it for me. I like to see flank companies. I infer that 28mm would not be a good scale for me. |
Lord Hill | 04 Jan 2019 6:18 a.m. PST |
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Lion in the Stars | 04 Jan 2019 12:36 p.m. PST |
28mm would work, if you had a dance floor to play on. But if your maximum table depth is 6 feet, I'd want to use no bigger than 15mm minis, and probably 6mm. Maybe even 2mm or 3mm, but I'm still not totally sold on those scales. |
d88mm1940 | 04 Jan 2019 2:37 p.m. PST |
So we have a consensus: it's OK to use anything from 2mm to 54mm… |
freecloud | 05 Jan 2019 6:26 p.m. PST |
So, in any of these refights did the British manage to win ;) ? |
ChrisBBB2 | 06 Jan 2019 3:03 a.m. PST |
I have fought or run the BBB Waterloo scenario five times. It has produced one Allied victory, one French, and three draws, usually with more than one objective contested or even changing hands on the last turn, which suggests it is nicely balanced. Chris Bloody Big BATTLES! link |
True Grit | 08 Jan 2019 11:01 a.m. PST |
I do Waterloo with the DBN rules on a battlefield 4.5 feet x 3 feet with 15mm figures and each unit representing an historical brigade. There is a video of this on YouTube under 'DBN Waterloo' |
deephorse | 18 Jan 2019 4:57 p.m. PST |
Played it twice in 25mm at The Wargames Holiday Centre, Folkton, using In The Grand Manner rules. Then once in 6mm using Blucher rules. The British won at Blucher and one of the 25mm games. I can no longer remember how the other 25mm one went, they were a lifetime ago! |
20thmaine | 18 Jan 2019 6:37 p.m. PST |
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forwardmarchstudios | 18 Jan 2019 7:07 p.m. PST |
I'm partial to 2mm myself:
Table is only 6' x 4.'. 20mm = 100m. ~8:1 troop/troop ratio. Every battalion, squadron, and battery represented. Every battalion and squadron flagged. |