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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian27 Dec 2018 7:38 p.m. PST

You were asked – TMP link

Have you experienced a problem with someone wearing a T-shirt with an offensive image or message at a wargaming convention or show?

55% said "no"
21% said "yes"
12% said "not recently"

capncarp27 Dec 2018 10:41 p.m. PST

One person's "offensive" is another's "cutting edge satire". Besides, _I_ prefer to be the offensive part of my ensemble, not my clothing.

Winston Smith28 Dec 2018 1:03 a.m. PST

Ok then.
A "Leibstandarte SS European Tour" tee shirt isn't offensive. A TMP poll just settled that.
Can I still say the wearer thereof is a horse's ass?

TimeCast28 Dec 2018 2:36 a.m. PST

I'm with Winston Smith on this one…

Barrie

nickinsomerset28 Dec 2018 2:37 a.m. PST

A Man United shirt could be considered offensive!!

Tally Ho!

Aethelflaeda was framed28 Dec 2018 8:19 a.m. PST

I too am with Winston.

Walking Sailor28 Dec 2018 9:27 a.m. PST

+3 Winston.
Those types are what give us an image problem.

Patrick Sexton Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2018 10:04 a.m. PST

+4 Winston.

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2018 1:38 p.m. PST

+5 to Winston

capncarp28 Dec 2018 2:55 p.m. PST

Abdolutely 100% with Winston. After all, freedom of opinion works both ways!

Old Peculiar28 Dec 2018 3:46 p.m. PST

+6 Winston

Personal logo Milhouse Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2018 7:48 p.m. PST

I remember years ago at Historicon seeing some nitwit wearing a DasReich t shirt. I'm not easily offended. But I was very offended.

Whirlwind28 Dec 2018 7:50 p.m. PST

Surely that poll might just indicate that people haven't seen offensive T-shirts (thank goodness!), not that they think those T-shirts are okay? I don't think I have noticed any kind of "Leibstandarte SS European Tour" or similar T-shirt in years of going to shows (although I have a vague memory once of doing a double-take at a T-shirt but can't remember what the reason was). Am I missing something?

Aethelflaeda was framed29 Dec 2018 12:30 p.m. PST

I think it's not just the SS tee shirts that are offensive to some. Lately, too many political tee shirts , usually about 2nd amendment rights, are easily construed as offensive.

They are often coarse, vulgar and seem to take a certain joy in being offensive on purpose. A symptom of the normalization of vulgarity and demonization of the opposite party, in politics overall. I have my own opinions on who is more guilty of taking joy in being offensive just for the sake of it.

TSD10129 Dec 2018 1:23 p.m. PST

usually about 2nd amendment rights, are easily construed as offensive.

I know what you mean. Its incredibly frustrating and offensive when people want to be less free in a country founded on liberty and freedom and question constitutional rights.

Aethelflaeda was framed29 Dec 2018 2:35 p.m. PST

If your politics are crude and vulgarly presented, I will think badly of you and the issue you are a proponent of, even if I believe strongly in your right to say, and maybe even agree with it. If you are at a con and you are a boor, don't expect me to want to be in your company, I certainly don't want to see my hobby possibly identified with the tee shirts as they wander through hotel lobbies and game shops as a possible reinforcement of stereotypes of us . I only point out second amendment rights because of the level of boorishness of the tee shirts. I just don't see so much about the 23rd amendment on tee shirts that call for outlawry and murdering of opponents even if you think you should have to live in full fledged state to vote. Sometimes the 19th amendment gets a bit boorishly defended but not to the point of calling for rebellion.

Decorum and restraint in displaying political views at any function is better than some idea that a visible ranting via a tee shirt achieves any goal except to "own the liberals".

After all that is one of the reasons there is a no politics rule here. It is unnecessarily divisive. As a young lieutenant, I was told that three topics were boorish to discuss in the mess: another's religion, political views, and wife.

Korvessa31 Dec 2018 4:07 p.m. PST

So what would you think of a t-shirt that says:
Army of Northern Virginia Athletic Department?

Aethelflaeda was framed31 Dec 2018 5:02 p.m. PST

Depends on how athletic the wearer really was. I would still wonder if he could rival a bag of hammers.

Personal logo Bowman Supporting Member of TMP31 Dec 2018 7:21 p.m. PST

Ok then.
A "Leibstandarte SS European Tour" tee shirt isn't offensive. A TMP poll just settled that.

Ahh, Winston maybe you should reread the question again.

The poll asked, "Have you experienced a problem with someone wearing a T-shirt with an offensive image or message at a wargaming convention or show?", to which 55% replied no. I also have not experienced a T-shirt like you described, so my answer would also be No.

I do find such a T-shirt offensive but that is not what the poll asked or settled. Hope that helps.

Lost Wolf01 Jan 2019 6:12 p.m. PST

My brother wears an Auburn shirt in the house when he visits. I still let him sit at the supper table.

ConnaughtRanger02 Jan 2019 3:57 p.m. PST

For a forum that supposedly has a "no politics" rule, there seems to be quite a lot of politics in this series of posts?

Personal logo Bowman Supporting Member of TMP03 Jan 2019 5:54 a.m. PST

There is?

masm611003 Jan 2019 3:28 p.m. PST

Some T-Shirts can be in bad taste I agree but to each their own.

What bothers me more is the few people who wear quasi uniforms. I saw a guy in what looked like a SS camo cap, pants and black shirt.

Just stuck me as an odd duck.
-Mike

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