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daveshoe26 Dec 2018 9:57 p.m. PST

Since everyone is posting their reviews of Cruel Seas, I thought I'd give my take on the game in a blog post.

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Overall, it is a good introductory set of rules and I have a pretty similar view to most people. You can read more about my likes and dislikes in the blog post.

Dave
https://seanavalgazing.blogspot.com

4DJones27 Dec 2018 2:06 a.m. PST

Dave, It's interesting that your "Questionable" and 'Dislikes' sections of your review of the rules are, together, twice as long as you 'Likes'. That probably sums it up.

D A THB27 Dec 2018 2:40 a.m. PST

Good review. I have not looked at Naval rules before so picked this up as it looks interesting.

I agree with your opinion of Plumes. I would have thought that each shot would depend on the speed and the movements of both vessels so once sighted subsequent shots are not really of much help.

I've put away the plastic Ships from my Fleet boxes in case there will be some conversion sets available later on, Better crew for the plastic Ships would be a nice start along with more weapons.

I liked the box the starter set came in as its useful for carrying the cards and books around in. I was therefore disappointed when the Fleets arrived in the usual thin boxes so will have to find something to put the models into.

I may write a Blog post once I have painted the Ships but will see what others have to say in the meantime.

Fitzovich27 Dec 2018 4:05 a.m. PST

Dave,
A good, well thought out review. As 4DJones mentioned, the negatives seemed to outweigh the positives for the rules. I for one will continue to search for an alternative rule set to use. The models and components are nice and I really like 6mm so I will use them in something but I find The Cruel Seas to be just a Cruel Joke when one combines the poor proofreading, the mispicks in packaging and the poor customer service (gee, we are too busy to get you the correct parts for which you paid) from Warlord
Kevin

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2018 7:21 a.m. PST

Dave very nice review, but did you actually build the models and play a game?

So Once again the cruel seas "Haters" strike. Why do you even read a post with the Cruel seas Header.
It just a game and I'am sorry its get new people interested in the era and building Ships.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2018 10:12 a.m. PST

Wackmole9: +1

daveshoe27 Dec 2018 10:30 a.m. PST

Wackmole9 wrote "Dave very nice review, but did you actually build the models and play a game?"

I haven't played the rules against an opponent, but played through it on my own. I'll put together the models when I have a chance. I'm planning on putting together one set as the "as provided" ships, but I am sort of waiting to see if Warlord will put out some weapons/crew sprues to dress them up a bit.

I'm not sure if you are referring to me as a "Hater", but I thought my review and summary paragraph are pretty fair.

It is just a game and if it gets more players interested in naval games, then I think it is good.

If you don't like my opinion or think it isn't valid because I haven't put models together, that is fine you are welcome to your opinion. But I don't think there is any need to denigrate people for their opinions.

Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2018 11:14 a.m. PST

I think it's clear from the comments I've read on this and other threads that the rules/game system was rushed and not play tested thoroughly. I'm not sure if it was the urge to get it out before the Christmas holiday buying season or not, but when you have that much errata it points to numerous issues in the production and testing processes.

That's not saying it can't be saved or improved upon. A new, revised set of rules incorporating the errata and changes usually takes care of any poor feelings towards a game, but it remains to be seen if they'll do that or simply move on to other game systems.

jdginaz27 Dec 2018 11:47 a.m. PST

Wackmole9 -1

Dave's review seemed well thought out and raised valid points. Just because you may disagree with him doesn't make him a "hater".


Warlord being "to busy" to correct their error is rather disturbing.

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2018 11:48 a.m. PST

Hi

No Dave I wasn't referring to you. Your review was fair and balanced.

D A THB27 Dec 2018 1:51 p.m. PST

BTW I am not a hater.

I just feel the product was rushed out in time for Christmas and also so they could get the Fantasy rules and figures out earlier.

I am happy to stick with the game as it seems fun and good for a couple of hours entertainment with friends,

I really like the models but hope they will be getting some upgrades.

Fitzovich27 Dec 2018 1:57 p.m. PST

Wackamole9
Everyone is entitled to their opinions of this and everything else. That you choose to denigrate others opinions pretty much invalidated any point that you were attempting to make.

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2018 2:18 p.m. PST

Fitzovich

Everyone does have right to a opinions. But to constantly degrade a Game system/Company over many posts. Sim to be a clear sign that you just don't like it, So why do you even waste your time read them.

Is it your duty to harp on problem over and over again? IS it because you are mad that it is apparently selling really well?

Was the game rushed. Yes it was. Are the rules in need of a good rewrite and a 2nd printing. Yes.

The thing that make me excited about the game is up to 8 Members of my local club are buying models and playing MTB games! How can that be a bad thing.

Fitzovich27 Dec 2018 5:23 p.m. PST

Wackmole9,

I am ticked off because I feel that Warlord shafted its customers including me. I feel we are due a replacement rule book. I was greatly looking forward to this game system, but the errata really killed it. I am now trying to re-write the thing in order to salvage my sunk costs. Warlord does a slick presentation and the models are nice, but their proof reading would have to improve by several magnitudes to reach abysmal as would their customer service.

If you think it's okay to get a 10 page errata drop 2 weeks after the release, you are entitled to your opinion and I will not dispute it with you. If you believe the number of mispicks and short items are okay, I will not dispute it with you. I however, do not share your opinion and feel as if Warlord screwed over it's customers.

Tony S27 Dec 2018 7:16 p.m. PST

It's funny, but I remember feeling the same way about one of the "Victory at Sea" Naval rules supplements. Very, very poorly proofread. Among other things, they left in "refer to page xx". Literally, "xx". Yes, just the placeholders, which even a cursory glance should have spotted. If I recall correctly, that errata list was much longer.

And yet, eventually I still enjoyed the rules, even though the emphasis is more on game than simulation. Had a bit of a sour taste in my mouth the first time I read it though.

A lot of people in my club are all excited about the game too, and they all want to play it whenever I finally get the bloody thing. (Canada Post was in a bit of a labour dispute recently). Which is a very good thing, as far as I'm concerned. They're slowly realizing that you CAN play games other than Bolt Action, or Flames of War using the SAME figures! So perhaps CS might just fit into this category.

Anything that drives people to historicals is great, in my opinion.

I thought the OP review was quite fair and balanced, and I appreciate the time and care that went into posting it.

Levi the Ox27 Dec 2018 10:41 p.m. PST

Not much to say about Cruel Seas that I didn't say in the other thread, but I will endorse Blood Red Skies; the advantage mechanic captures the tempo of a dogfight well without overinvesting in the details.

CaptCarrot27 Dec 2018 11:26 p.m. PST

At my FLGS, the store owner was saying he's never gotten so many pre-orders for a game before.

With so many of my local gaming buddies buying and playing it, I will be picking it up. The miniatures included in the recent Wargames Illustrated got me really excited!

tyroflyer228 Dec 2018 4:46 a.m. PST

I read Dave's review and think he did a good job. Don't be put off Dave.

FlyXwire29 Dec 2018 6:50 a.m. PST

I think it's a fair and objective review too.

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