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Schogun21 Dec 2018 10:32 a.m. PST

Armed Trawler -- $36 USD

Separates from the Fleet Boxes:

German Vorpostenboot -- $44 USD
German M-Class Minesweeper -- $44 USD

IJN Minesweeper $44 USD
IJN T-14 MTB (x4) $25 USD
IJN Large Sampams (x2) $25 USD
IJN Kamikaze Boats (2x6) $25 USD

US LCI Landing Craft $36 USD
US Coastal Cutter Subchaser (x2) $48 USD
US LCM3 Landing Craft (x4) $25 USD

RN Fairmile D MGB/MTB (x2) $44 USD

lloydthegamer Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2018 10:35 a.m. PST

Is it just me, or are these pretty spendy kits?

Personal logo 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2018 10:54 a.m. PST

Cruel Prices for Cruel Seas? Seriously, if we don't see people complain about the "high costs" of our beloved hobby on TMP then something just isn't right with this world.

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Schogun21 Dec 2018 11:09 a.m. PST

The M-class minesweeper will be 8-9 inches long (depending on version), so that's a pretty big chunk of resin. And in many pieces. Plus metal guns & crew, data card and wave markers. Overall, price is fairly comparable to their resin tanks.

But I agree. Pricey. And big on the table. I think a lot of folks will still buy one or two bigger ships.

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2018 11:55 a.m. PST


Have you priced out plastic 1/350th scale ships recently?
You don't need a ton of ships for this game.

Lazyworker21 Dec 2018 12:26 p.m. PST

Honestly, a fleet box and maybe a flotilla box is all you'll ever need. It's meant to be a small scale skirmish game. A collection that should be easy for me to transport for once. We'll see if that lasts.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2018 8:43 p.m. PST

Yea, seems like the new releases are up there in cost, especially if you want/need more than one of each, like me.

I'm interested in 4 x VP Boats, but at that price, I think I'll stick to 1/600th scale.

Could use an armed trawler, or two as well.

Personal logo Virtualscratchbuilder Supporting Member of TMP Fezian22 Dec 2018 7:52 a.m. PST

New release plastic 1/700 Battleships run $35 USD-45, Resin 1/700 predreads start around $40 USD-45 and go over $70 USD, and a resin WWI or WWII battleship starts around $60 USD, so these do not seem too out of order for me. A little disappointing, but not out of order. Also, they will certainly be cheaper from retailers rather than from the source.

Paul at Warlord Games Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Dec 2018 3:30 p.m. PST

Ah, the well known battlecry of the wargamer that their beloved models are too expensive. ;-)

Of course, we all want value for money and a bargain but please bear in mind that these are not only highly detailed models but are supplied with crew figures and game aids such as wake markers and ship cards.

As gamers ourselves we firmly believe these superb models are great value for money we wouldn't have priced them such if we didn't. Indeed those who have seen the models in the flesh at Warlord HQ and at the shows we attend have often commented on how low the prices are for what is on offer. I won't lie to you and say we didn't think we might have undersold them when we heard that!

It's also worth bearing in mind that for those on a tight budget the game is easily playable with just the contents of a fleet box or a flotilla box or two as Lazyworker quite rightly says. You don't have to collect absolutely every ship for your chosen navy but what kind of gamer would we be if we didn't want to collect loads more ships than we'll possibly play with…

Right, that's enough soapboxing from me it's late on Saturday night and I have a date with a rather minxy Tawny Port. Enjoy your evenings I know I will!


Paul Sawyer

Fitzovich22 Dec 2018 3:56 p.m. PST

Before spending anything on this game, I would take a long look at the ten pages of errata that was issued yesterday and decide if it's what you want to get into. Looks to be pretty sloppy editing, developing, play testing from where I stand.

CaptCarrot28 Dec 2018 4:05 p.m. PST

I looked at the errata. It looks like some folks are on a personal crusade to torpedo this game because of a few typos.

Most adults understand the majority of the work in developing a new set of rules is in the constant cycle of brainstorm, test and tweak. Given how many people are excited about this game on the Mosquito Fleet Facebook group, I'm sure Warlord put their effort in on this part of game development.

Plenty of games get published then disappear because they aren't fun. Cruel Seas isn't one of them.

4DJones29 Dec 2018 2:52 a.m. PST

CaptCarrot: Have you played a game of Cruel Seas yet?

CaptCarrot06 Jan 2019 5:56 p.m. PST

4DJones, yes, I sure have.

It is a lot of fun. I played at one of the FLGS, and I think two more people are going to pick it up. It is fast and fun.

Have you had a chance to play it yet?

4DJones07 Jan 2019 5:11 a.m. PST

CaptCarrot: Yes, I've played a couple of games and I'm afraid I can't wax as lyrical as you. Can you tell me with authority where to apply the SAG +2, for example?To the gun mount firing, or to each damage die rolled?
To Hit: Trawler at 12 knots (Full Speed) suffers-2, MTB at 25 knots has no negative modifier applied. Etc..
These vagaries and others, detract from enjoyment of the game.

4DJones07 Jan 2019 8:31 a.m. PST

…Oh, and how would you precisely define "paired twin" in relation to guns?

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