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csm carter15 Dec 2018 10:50 a.m. PST

I recently purchased some really cool 1/300 Vospers and S Series boats for Cruel Seas. I got a little frustrated while assembling the S-38 and S-100 models. The ship cards show each ship with a 37mm gun in the aft mount. But there is only one 37mm gun included. The S-100 card does mention a quad 20mm option but this doesn't seem like much of an option unless you choose to not glue down the 37mm on the S-38. To make matters worse I started researching the historical armaments of these two variants and learned that the S-38 rarely carried a 37mm and the S-100 rarely had a quad 20mm. What gives?

4DJones15 Dec 2018 11:43 a.m. PST

…amateurish research?

daveshoe15 Dec 2018 11:43 a.m. PST

The armament for S-boats did change during the war. The books I have basically say that the early S-38 types had a forward 20mm and aft 20mm, which was replaced by a 40mm (from capture stock) or 37mm. Later boats would have the forward 20mm, mid-ships twin 20mm, and aft 40mm/37mm. The quad 20mm was added on some boats later in the war, replacing the aft 40mm/37mm.

That said I think the S-boat sprues definitely do not have enough weapons. The current mix limits you to a single 20mm and 37mm on the S-38 and a single 20mm, twin 20mm, and quad 20mm on the S-100.

Maybe Warlord will release some weapons/crew sprues for customizing your boats. But it does seem like an oversight for the initial release.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Dec 2018 12:35 p.m. PST

I forget the exact number on the quad 20s, from my research, but it seems to me like one in 9 or 10 might have that.

Could be as many as one in 6, for squadron ops.

It appears to me that it was usually assigned to the rear-most boat, to protect the unit from strafing attacks from the rear, by aircraft.

A pity more 37mm/40mm guns aren't available with the boats.

Separate weapons sprues for upgrading would be appreciated by gamers, I suspect. Might be nice to magnetize them, to permit swapping out for different periods of the war, if desire.

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP15 Dec 2018 12:58 p.m. PST

From the cards in the basic box set


Vosper MTB Type I (mid)
2 TT ( 1 on each side) with 30 degree arc
1 X Twin 20mm gun forward with a 270 degree arc
2 X MG centerline with 360 degree arc
Twin HMG aft with 270 degree arc
Smoke
Depth Charges

Vosper MTB Type II (mid)
4 TT ( 2 on each side) with 30 degree arc
1 X Twin 20mm gun forward with a 270 degree arc
2 X MG centerline with 360 degree arc
Smoke

E-boat S-100 class
1 37mm semi auto Aft 270 degree arc or Quad 20mm
2 TT ( 1 on each side) with 30 degree arc forward option to reload x2
1 20mm gun forward with a 270 degree arc
1 X Twin 20mm gun center with a 360 degree arc
2 X MG centerline with 360 degree arc
smoke
E-boat S-38 class
1 37mm semi auto Aft 270 degree arc
2 TT ( 1 on each side) with 30 degree arc forward option to reload x2
1 20mm gun forward with a 270 degree arc
2 X MG centerline with 360 degree arc
Smoke
Optional depth charges

Schogun15 Dec 2018 1:43 p.m. PST

I've been saying the same as Daveshoe -- hopefully Warlord will release a weapons sprue, maybe one for each nation.

Razor78 Supporting Member of TMP15 Dec 2018 4:45 p.m. PST

Not having cruel seas yet, but expecting it to be under the Christmas tree, can you magnetize the mounts so they can be swapped out

JMcCarroll15 Dec 2018 4:59 p.m. PST

CinC and GHQ both make Bofors 40mm. Get a pack as both sides used them in the war. I used them on my scratch built PT boats.

RudyNelson16 Dec 2018 7:36 a.m. PST

Title of the post makes it sound like you are having trouble with the rules. Trouble with models assembly is different.
The variations are numerous and should not affect play as long as the data sheets or modified to show the variations.

csm carter17 Dec 2018 7:52 a.m. PST

Mr Nelson, the post was more a swipe at Warlord for not providing enough guns to even match their cards. I went ahead and modified the quad 20 to look like a 37mm. You are correct in that I could adjust the card without hurting game play but you know how fickle wargames can act. I miss seeing you out in KC. I am trying to revive the GDC crowd out here.

RudyNelson17 Dec 2018 2:24 p.m. PST

Good luck and I am glad you still enjoy the GdC Napoleonic rules.

I am still analyzing the Cruel Seas to see if there are any mechanics I used with Coastal Command back in the 1980s. In regards to models, I will be using PT Boat Dockyard. I like the scale, price and variety.

Shadowcat2018 Dec 2018 2:27 a.m. PST

I have to agree they need a weapons sprue for each nation. If you get the game check it carefully first. The first release had serious missing parts issues. My hobby store got 6 copies and five were already spoken for before it hit the shelves. most of us were missing parts right off. All the boxes had a label on them stating they would send out the missing Small and Medium Movement templates that were missing…OK…warned so no big deal. Most of the boxes were missing the flag sheets, Some of us did not get the ship Data cards also (I was missing ALL of them, even the merchant). I suspect between Black Friday and the screwed up release that explains Warlords being buried in the customer service department right now. That also explains the delay in getting product and replacement parts out. The issue with the parts was caused by the box packers for Cruel Seas. I heard they got parts and packed the boxes in house but not sure how true that was. Someone dropped the ball big time though and I expect it will get sorted out in a month or two.

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