Winston Smith | 09 Dec 2018 8:19 a.m. PST |
The flag for the AWI Regiment Waldeck mightvas well be for an Imagination. Do an AWI search for Wakdeck flag and see a few hints. Anyway, the noble 7th Va Cavalry has taken on a commission to make such a flag for some generic Hessians. It occurs to me that I need a pompous Latin motto. So, I came up with "I (the archduke bishop elector of Waldeck) have the money, now I/we fight." How does this sound? "HABEO PECUNIAM NUNC PUGITO" Should the verbs be plural, meaning his men representing the Royal "We"? Is there a better verb? One meaning combat rather than fisticuffs? |
7th Va Cavalry | 09 Dec 2018 9:32 a.m. PST |
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Frederick | 09 Dec 2018 9:32 a.m. PST |
I will consult my Latin phrase book! You could use French and paraphrase the Swiss motto "Pas d'argent, pas de Hesse!" |
Winston Smith | 09 Dec 2018 10:28 a.m. PST |
I like that. "Pas d'argent pas de Waldeck" Which reminds me. Maybe ARGENTUM instead of PECUNIAM. Don't worry Roger. I have a Sharpie and I'm not afraid to use it. |
Winston Smith | 09 Dec 2018 1:32 p.m. PST |
…nunc nos pugnare For "now we will fight" might be better. |
42flanker | 09 Dec 2018 5:39 p.m. PST |
In Latin the verbs should generally be placed at the end of phrases or sentences. Apud precium provisum est, ad proelium procedimus |
Winston Smith | 09 Dec 2018 6:17 p.m. PST |
I always liked how Latin could use one word where English would use 4. That's err….. Laconic. Mottos on flags are usually laconic. |
42flanker | 10 Dec 2018 3:08 a.m. PST |
sine solidis, sine saxonis sine solido, sine soccio sine merces, sine mercenario sine fiduciario, sine foederato |
miniMo | 10 Dec 2018 6:26 a.m. PST |
For a motto like withtwo verbs, it would balance better leading with the first verb and ending with the second as in the OP. [Roman] soldiers were paid in salt (i.e. salary), so if the commander had salt, the troops know that they can get paid; also appropriate for a salty commander. Pugno or Bello would both be good verb choices; I always like a good causus belli: Habeo salis, nos bellare. (pugnare if you prefer) |
42flanker | 10 Dec 2018 7:43 a.m. PST |
In Latin verbs are generally placed at the end, and with no pronouns necessary. i.e. habemus; oppugnamos with a construction like this "in order that there may be fighting, let salt be provided" (I can't remember my subjunctives) |
HMS Exeter | 10 Dec 2018 7:59 a.m. PST |
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Dave0564 | 10 Dec 2018 11:09 a.m. PST |
Loads of good ones here. I echo the comment "Latin is the soul of brevity" I came up with Mercedes militans which gains in alliteration what it lacks in accuracy |
42flanker | 10 Dec 2018 12:03 p.m. PST |
I don't think the Germans brought their wheels with them, did they? |
Parzival | 10 Dec 2018 12:36 p.m. PST |
Gimeus dous, imma yobrous. I'm a fan of mock-Latin. |
Winston Smith | 10 Dec 2018 12:43 p.m. PST |
Loads of good ones here. I echo the comment "Latin is the soul of brevity" If I could knock it down to two words, that would be fabulous. Not least because I'll have to fit on to a 25mm square flag, with all the usual clutter above it. What is Future Indicative of pugnare? Pugnamibus? Now I can possibly go for three words, with "now" being implied. "Habeo argentum pugnamibus" Or Habeo salem (3rd declension accusative) pugnamibus Note that I'm speaking for the ruler. "*I* have the money. We shall fight." But maybe it would be more accurate to say "I have the money. They will fight." Thus: Habeo argentum pugnabunt ((Thanks Google!)) |
42flanker | 10 Dec 2018 1:03 p.m. PST |
argentum habeo. sic pugnabunt (Latin word order) Have you thought of just "argentum habeo" with all the rest implied? Without the adverb the statement doesn't exist. |
Porthos | 10 Dec 2018 1:15 p.m. PST |
One of my Renaissance mercenaries carries a large flag (on his horse) with the text: Semper in excremento sum, solum profunditas variat Those who want to know what this means (although the Latin is not really correct ;-)) can read this here: uk.answers.yahoo.com/question index?qid=20080522161127AA3rdIk Those mercenaries by the way will receive one flag more, with Winston's text (Habeo argentum pugnabunt – I have the money. They will fight. Great one for the staff !). |
miniMo | 10 Dec 2018 2:28 p.m. PST |
For short and sweet: Pro pecuniam. (I like the allliteration) Pro argentum. (if you prefer) For the sake of money. (and quite implied 'no money, no fightey') |
42flanker | 10 Dec 2018 4:23 p.m. PST |
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42flanker | 10 Dec 2018 4:27 p.m. PST |
"Great one for the staff !" You might wanna put a full stop in there, at least. |
Winston Smith | 11 Dec 2018 9:55 a.m. PST |
One word: adnumerarer First person imperfect passive. "I have been paid". Two words: adnumerarer pugnabatur "I have been paid. They will fight." That will fit on a coin, or under a heraldic mess of arms. Ok. That's Latin. For the second flag (Of course we shall have two! What do you think Waldeckers are, barbarians?) let's use French: "Pas d'argent pas de Waldeck" |
Bill N | 12 Dec 2018 6:54 a.m. PST |
Go modern: www . troops4rent . com / Waldeck |
Winston Smith | 12 Dec 2018 11:14 a.m. PST |
Go modern: www . troops4rent . com / Waldeck
Ok. Third flag. |
42flanker | 12 Dec 2018 12:44 p.m. PST |
Sorry to be a pain, but: Passive Indicative Imperfect: Adnumerabur, I was paid Perfect: Adnumerātus sum I have been/was paid |
Winston Smith | 12 Dec 2018 1:50 p.m. PST |
Yeah, I wasn't sure about that. No flags have been marked up yet. It's been mumble mumble years and Google can be frustrating. |
42flanker | 12 Dec 2018 2:45 p.m. PST |
'mumble mumble'? Surely, you were fluent? |
Winston Smith | 12 Dec 2018 3:08 p.m. PST |
"Having been influenced by these things, Caesar made a march, dragging his impediments behind him." "So, how much longer you gonna get in my face, Catiline?" "The farmer loves the girl." Fluent? You betcha. Second person plural passive pluperfect subjunctives were a hassle. And then after all those years I learned there was a special tense for shouting at people. |
42flanker | 13 Dec 2018 7:08 a.m. PST |
Ah yes, the good ol' IMPERATIVE! Wasn't till I was well into adulthood I found out who da fu Labienus was. A shame Carthage had to be destroyed. Still, woe to the defeated. As they say. |
epturner | 19 Dec 2018 12:51 p.m. PST |
Winston; Have your knuckles ever recovered from the beatings from Sister Mary Elephant and the Sisters of The Perpetually Indemnified? I still say "Sic Semper OFM"… At least until this coming weekend's battle. I shall implore Mike to let me command the Prussians and make sure you are not sitting where they come on the table. Eric |
Gerard Leman | 26 Dec 2018 10:29 a.m. PST |
This thread is reminding me of the scene in Life of Brian: Centurion: Except that "domus" takes the…? Brian: The locative, sir! Centurion: Which is…? Brian: "Domum"! Centurion: "Domum". "Um". Understand? Brian: Yes, sir. Centurion: Now write it out a 'undred times. Brian: Yes, thank you Sir, Hail Caesar. Centurion: Hail Caesar. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off. |
Virginia Tory | 02 Jan 2019 9:48 a.m. PST |
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