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Last Hussar07 Dec 2018 11:00 p.m. PST

What it says in the title. I'm reading pom-poms, but manufacturers all seem to do plumes for Grenadiers and voltergers.


HappyHussar Supporting Member of TMP07 Dec 2018 11:12 p.m. PST

Plumes. The pom poms were for the 1805-1808 period. By 1809 all of the headgear (should have) was replaced.

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2018 2:48 a.m. PST

Yes and in the field, the plumes were replaced by 'tufted' pom poms.

rustymusket Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2018 6:46 a.m. PST

So, pom poms after all on the battlefield in 1809?

HappyHussar Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2018 9:32 a.m. PST

Its your call. For poor conditions use the pom poms but for summer go with the plume.

Look – most of us paint our miniatures using parade ground dress. That is how the majority of castings are made.

If you really want to paint miniatures so that they look authentic for Spain, use curate cloth for many of the French regiments after 1809-10. Who does that on a regular basis?

The French Imperial Garde grenadiers, en route to Friedland, were wearing their bicornes and upon hearing the command to put on their bearskins happily tossed the bicornes to the side of the road! Would bicornes be appropriate for field dress in 1807? Sure! But what would you rather see your castings "wearing?"

Not many painters use the oilskins for their 1813 Prussians but that is how the majority of them dressed due to the damp weather. Well that is if they even had an oilskin cover handy being that the Prussian army was lacking on a lot of the basic clothing and equipment.

For any damp weather campaign – better put on that overcoat!

Its your call.

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2018 9:58 a.m. PST

The Hussar is right, but to clarify my point, in a French line battalion, on parade, the grenadiers and the voltigeurs wore plumes on their shakos. The fusiliers had pom poms. In campaign dress, the fusiliers still had their pom poms but the two elite companies had a special design of pom pom with a distinctive tuft on the top as though the base of the plume had been stuck into it. A quick look at the Perry figures on their site will demonstrate the difference and show you a source for 'campaign' figures.

Empires at War Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Dec 2018 2:31 a.m. PST

Not many painters use the oilskins for their 1813 Prussians but that is how the majority of them dressed due to the damp weather.

Does anyone even manufacture 1813 Prussians without the oilskin cover? I assume you are referring to line regiments.

Last Hussar09 Dec 2018 2:48 a.m. PST

Look most of us paint our miniatures using parade ground dress. That is how the majority of castings are made.

Do you know what, you're right. I was thinking of going for a stylised 'toy soldier' look anyway, no dirt etc, so why am I worrying. And they add colour.

And if I have too many fusiliers I can put some into tufted pom POM's.

Thanks for your answers.

Last Hussar09 Dec 2018 7:21 a.m. PST

Because Android got aggressive with the predictive text, I appear to have typed 'Prison Offender Managers'!

HappyHussar Supporting Member of TMP09 Dec 2018 9:26 a.m. PST

Empires – Minifig used to. You might check Calpe's line of Prussians too. I have not really looked into it. I had all of my Prussians with shako covers. It was Yorck's division that was part of the X Corps in the French army of 1812. I was relatively new at painting and didn't think to check the headgear. Turns out it was a good match.

Empires at War Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Dec 2018 12:39 p.m. PST

All of the Calpe line infantry have shako covers as do the cavalry. The only Calpe figures without them are some Reserve infantry which wouldn't have had them anyway. I only use Calpe for my Prussians as the research that goes into them is second to none.

marshalGreg10 Dec 2018 8:43 a.m. PST

why paint up "bad weather garb" unless tired of parade or campaign dress mass build or unless one needs reinforcements for a game ASAP?

Some units still used pom-pom like the 13th legere 48th, 85th, 105th & 108th in Davouts corp- as to I witness accounts etc.
That is ~ 20 % of the corp's regiments

DO you have a plan as to the units to build?
There is a lot of research already present as the distinctions of 1809 units, especially in III Corp.

Last Hussar10 Dec 2018 10:56 a.m. PST

Nope. *Smile*

1) 10mm
2) Like to keep stuff relative generic

Stoppage11 Dec 2018 3:30 a.m. PST

It's a shame to use the oil-cloth covers – cockades can look good.

Dave Holden23 Dec 2018 7:39 a.m. PST

marshalGreg is the research you mention available online please?

Marcus Maximus04 Jan 2019 2:37 a.m. PST

I echo Dave's request @marshalgreg would you be able to share as I'm building the French forces for the 1809 campaign? Many thanks in advance.

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