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LORDGHEE05 Dec 2018 9:57 p.m. PST

Hello Gents,

I am working on a few Scenarios and would like to get them out for people to use.

so some information is needed.

in your favorite rules what is the Ground scale, base size and size of unit.

The Wargaming Company05 Dec 2018 10:15 p.m. PST

We design and publish our scenarios without an assumed ground scale. We grid our maps in scale miles, providing a table in the front of each book outlining what table size would be needed at a variety of ground scales. We use the same notion with regard to time vs turns, etc…

Limiting scenarios to a given rule system, either overtly, or by providing maps in table feet assuming a given ground scale, etc… is really not necessary and limits usefulness to gamers, so we avoid it. We want our publications to be useful to as many wargamers as possible.

-TWC
thewargamingcompany.com

figuresales06 Dec 2018 2:17 a.m. PST

I use a 2/3 scale variant of Volley & Bayonet so 1" to 150 yds, base size 2" square nominally representing a Regiment/Brigade depending on nationality of army. 15mm figures.

I agree with TWC, scenarios should use actual ground measurements and troop numbers. Troops being identified by Battalion or Regiment is helpful but the actual number involved is the key data.

For time based scenario events use the actual time of day/night not a set number of "turns".

Give actual information which players can equate to the rules they use, rather than a rule specific format which has to be reworked back to historic and then worked again into format for the rules they use.

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP06 Dec 2018 2:46 a.m. PST

Just use real distances and let the users convert it to their appropriate ground scale.

To be honest I can't see why anyone would consider any other solution.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2018 4:12 a.m. PST

Gildas is quite right. Give me a real distance, and I can do the math.


But to answer your ground and figure scale question, it depends on the size of the battle to be duplicated. At one end are 5mm castings and 1"=150 yards. At the other end are 28mm castings at 1"=10 yards.

Garryowen Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2018 6:31 a.m. PST

Real distances. Don't try to fit any set or sets of rules.

Tom

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP06 Dec 2018 7:31 a.m. PST

Yeah go with TWC there.

I play more than one rule set depending on the ground scale.

TMPWargamerabbit06 Dec 2018 8:27 a.m. PST

We use 1:80 to 1:100 miniature ratio (scenario variance), 50 yards to inch, and 20 minutes / turn for the large Horse and Musket era 28mm collections. But the best scenario method is a stated real distance ground scale on scenario notes or map then, we the gamers, can do the math as previously stated above.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP06 Dec 2018 8:44 a.m. PST

Like they say above

My favourite minis are 6mm for grand tactical

Aethelflaeda was framed06 Dec 2018 10:22 a.m. PST

I really want to know the number and size/type of guns in a battery too. Oman and others too often just list numbers of men and dont often state the size. Sometime the listing will include army totals but without any idea about the distribution.

LORDGHEE06 Dec 2018 1:15 p.m. PST

thanks for the answers

realized that 2 projects are blending together.

The Battles project and

The Wargame table project.

Thanks for answers

forwardmarchstudios07 Dec 2018 11:57 p.m. PST

1:1 in 2mm!

picture

1968billsfan Supporting Member of TMP08 Dec 2018 4:21 a.m. PST

forwardmarchstudios: How do you paint the coat buttons the right colour?

Lion in the Stars08 Dec 2018 1:24 p.m. PST

That's still freaking crazy, Forward March Studios. I think I liked the appearance of your 3mm a little better, but 2mm (what is that, 1/900? 1/1000?) certainly works.

2mm definitely gives you a better table width, what with 3mm(1/600) coming out to 6"=100yds, so a 4x6ft table is only 800yds deep and 1200yds long.


@1968billsfan: very carefully! evil grin


@LordGhee: I'm currently looking at Blucher for rules, so a typical-strength brigade has a 3" frontage in nominal scale.

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