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Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP29 Nov 2018 1:24 p.m. PST

Not being Cresus and also edging towards lazy, I would like my Reiters etc. used for both "By Fire and Sword" 1660s and TYW.
The 3/4 armoured staying for the early period.

then what kind of sashes to chose for the imperials?
the mercs in Polish use later?
The swedes both periods? (or not)

The article from the old sources we all used before Daniel S and more goodies on the internet, is at least discredited for two bits which casts suspicion on the whole.

Daniel S01 Dec 2018 2:36 a.m. PST

Well for the Swedes the historical sash is "no sash" except for among a few of the officers, the most common field sign in use was straw twisted together and worn around an arm and/or asa band around the crown of the hat. You can find references to this from 1637 right up to the Scanian war of the 1670's. Before this the only two references I know of are Breitenfeld and Wittstock which saw the use of green, at Breitenfeld in the shape of local greenery worn in the hatband and the like, at Wittstock as scarves.

Period artists almost uniformly used blue to identify Swedes as they did not have to take into account the real life issue of the Danes and Bavarians using the colours early on. (And few, if any of the painters had seen actual Swedes)

Now no figures I know of are made with the straw field signs so you have to rely on sashes. IMO you have to choices, use artistic licence and go for the blue used in paintings or adopt the yellow of the straw as the Swedish colour.

The Imperials wore the red sash introduced by Wallenstein in both wars afaik.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP01 Dec 2018 7:11 a.m. PST

Thanks!
even looked on your site to find hints before posting here;)

So I did put officers sash in red for my merc rajtars for the Poles; assuming they'd be former Imperialists looking for new jobs!
I might use more yellow sash and bits of blue more for those that would end up as Swedes. But the aim of having a sort of units bank (will have magnetized variants of command stands for standards!) precluded too much special ID. Very many anyway ending up being mostly German mercs working even for different sides at different times. One side might have some grass turfs on the base if nothing else to differentiate.
I am adverse doing too much "uniform" like stuff for this period.
I bought the magnificent German books on 30Yw flags; might do paper flags from many soonish.

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