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Juhan Voolaid31 Oct 2018 12:34 a.m. PST

Beginner here and have been searching for rules to get my feet wet with Napoleonics. Very often it comes up that people recommend Lasalle rules for this.

Unfortunately I could only find electronic version of the book sold:

Does anyone know, why it is out of print. Is there any info for re-print. It is quite popular and not that old game to be out of print.

McWong7331 Oct 2018 12:40 a.m. PST

Weren't these self published by the author? If so, that's one reason right there.

Black Hat Miniatures31 Oct 2018 1:32 a.m. PST

I believe that the cost of reprinting was far too high as they were printed overseas and had several thousand in the first print run. They aren't going to be reprinted.


Juhan Voolaid31 Oct 2018 2:16 a.m. PST

It's just surprising that from the forums I find that it was released in 2009 and was sold out already by 2011 and to this day it is recommended as the go-to system for small battles.

How people here use PDFs. Do you use some kind of printing and binding service?

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Oct 2018 3:42 a.m. PST

Print a black & white at Kinko's or at home

Dexter Ward31 Oct 2018 3:54 a.m. PST

You can get it printed out by a print-on-demand service like

They were published as a (very nice) hardback as well as a PDF. I also came to the rules after they had gone out of print, but managed to get a second hand copy via ebay.

Dexter Ward31 Oct 2018 3:54 a.m. PST

If you have a tablet, of course, you don't need to print the PDF. Just reference the rules on the screen.

bobspruster31 Oct 2018 5:29 a.m. PST

I printed them at work, put the pages in sheet protectors and put them in a loose leaf binder. I put the front and back pages in the clear pockets and a trimmed title page inserted in the spine.

Old Contemptibles31 Oct 2018 6:57 a.m. PST

If I had used those rules for my introduction to Napoleonics, I would have crushed all my figures with my car, burned all my rules and books. Then convert my game room into something else, like a media room.

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP31 Oct 2018 7:42 a.m. PST

I have a hard copy printed version I'd get rid of (i have the pdf as well), but I'm afraid the postage to Estonia from Canada would be usurious!

DeRuyter31 Oct 2018 8:53 a.m. PST

@Rallynow – lol, tell us what you really think of the rules!

To each his own my group really likes Lasalle.

olicana31 Oct 2018 10:01 a.m. PST

I have a hard copy, and I'm not a big fan either. Then again, [tin hat on] I'm a Piquet player, so I know all about Marmite rules. I think even the author moved on – see Blucher and more Marmite (though I like that particular variety).

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Oct 2018 10:09 a.m. PST

Marmite rules? Explanation for a poor yank please?

Steamingdave231 Oct 2018 10:33 a.m. PST

Marmite is a rather disgusting savoury spread made from yeast extract. Strangely some people find it delicious. Hence, " Marmite Rules" are rules which some people despise and loathe, whilst others think they are absolute perfection.

BillyNM31 Oct 2018 10:54 a.m. PST

Marmite is the spread of the Gods!

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Oct 2018 11:10 a.m. PST

Wow!!! Is it real??? I am not the only one napoleonic wargamer in Estonia anymore???

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP31 Oct 2018 11:29 a.m. PST

What size of figures do you use, Juhan? 6mm or 15(18)mm?
And if you don't chosed any rules yet, you equally may start with our own Estonian napoleonic rules for big battles – EMPEROR. ;-)

Tony S31 Oct 2018 1:57 p.m. PST

My hardcover fell apart. I greatly prefer the PDF, especially since it was updated with some corrections and changes.

I'm a bit ambivalent about LaSalle to be honest. I once read a review of LaSalle that described it as a combat engine in search of a set of rules, which isn't too far off the mark. Personally, I like rules with a stronger element of fog of war. Which describes pretty much all of Mustafa's other works! I have actually played all of his rules, and regard him as one of the hobby's foremost rules designers. But, for me, the first ruleset in his Honour series, LaSalle, is by comparison to his later works, a bit of a miss.

That said, it is very easy to understand, and is a very clean system. And I really like his method of building a division. You don't create a bath tubbed version of a Napoleonic army in LaSalle, unlike many other rules.

I think it's a reasonable set of rules for a beginner.

TodCreasey31 Oct 2018 3:21 p.m. PST

Marmite perhaps for some but for our club it is the one rule set everyone likes and we play it a LOT. I am running a game Friday morning of it at Fall In

Dexter Ward01 Nov 2018 2:19 a.m. PST

What I like about Lasalle is that gamers who are not knowledgeable about Napoleonics can play an enjoyable game, which certainly involves Napoleonic tactics. The rules are very clearly written and give the players interesting decisions.
If I want a bit more fog of war, but still fast play, I go for Shako (I actually prefer the first version of the rules to the second).
If I want the full monty, then General d'Armee is excellent.
If I want to play big battles, Blucher is a great choice.

The great thing is, the same figures work for all of them!

John de Terre Neuve01 Nov 2018 6:39 a.m. PST

I have played several games of Lasalle and have enjoyed them, for me however it was lacking in a good command and control mechanism. It was just a bit vanilla.

After playing Lasalle, Black Powder, Rank and File, Republic to Empire, etc etc, I have found that General d'Armee is my favourite. Just gives a great game.


Juhan Voolaid01 Nov 2018 2:04 p.m. PST

@Sho Boki

I am surprised as well. I have noticed that in Estonian Wargaming community there are absolute zero Napoleonics gamers. I see you are quite seasoned member here.

But I am just testing the waters. The recent BP2 release got me interested. Now I am getting myself more familiar with the history and have ordered 3 ruleset to have something to compare and to have a place to take it to a next level. I bought BP2, Over the Hills and General d'Armee – I also plan to read/play them in that order.

As for scale, I have already committed into 10mm WW2. So to have a matching scenery, I plan to have 10mm nappies as well.

But what's the Estonan ruleset you are talking about? Emperor? That means we have a napoleonics community here as well? Do tell -- I think TMP does not have private messaging? You can look me up in FB.

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Nov 2018 3:25 p.m. PST

I don't use social mediums like FB. Only forums, like TMP or or, the last one don't need even registration.
10mm seems to be a good scale too, I just prepare to produce napoleonics figures on this scale.

EMPEROR is my own ruleset, I started writing these years ago and now testing. I believe, that on his niche it will be very successful, when released.
This means, that we don't have here any napoleonics community, but just me and internet.. and now you too.

williamb09 Nov 2018 7:53 p.m. PST

It is out of print because the author has written a new rule set – "Blucher"

ThePeninsularWarin15mm05 Jan 2020 9:53 p.m. PST

Blucher was not a replacement, it is an higher level scale of playing.

Lasalle plays perfectly well for a tactical level game. It doesn't require a lot of prerequisite knowledge of the period (because it is presumed since you're playing that period to begin with). I've heard it commented elsewhere the combat system is too harsh and maybe simple. Having played a lot of other rules, I can say the combat system suffices for what's needed. There are advanced rules for maybe scenario specific or historical flavor.

Although I have two hard cover copies, I also have a printed PDF version. It took me a little while to warm up to the rules, but now it is all I use. I do recommend the set of rules to others.

Keifer11308 Mar 2020 12:03 a.m. PST

Me cleaning my gaming closet:

Lasalle…I'll never play this game.

<tosses in rubbish>


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