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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2018 12:36 p.m. PST

… Trek" fan? Does it have to be either/or.

"People say it all the time: "I'm more of a Star Trek than Star Wars fan."
People ask it just as often: "Are you more into Star Trek or Star Wars?"

…Can it not be both?

Personally, I have never understood the question's assumption that being a fan of two filmic or televisual narratives set in outer space would be inconceivable. Preferring one over the other is obviously fine, and common, but appreciating both equally is just as valid. Still, comparing the two is a misguided exercise: the universes are too separate, founded on different principles, and largely exist in different mediums. The basis of the question is weak. People might as well be asked if they're more into Jack Reacher (2012) or Adventureland (2009) simply because both take place in Pittsburgh -- that makes them the same thing, right? Of course nobody thinks like that, but it's essentially the logic of the question…."
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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2018 1:22 p.m. PST

Forty years ago, it made a difference.

Star Trek--the first two seasons, anyway--didn't just have a science fiction setting, but told (mostly) actual science fiction "what if?" stories. Read the "story by" credits of the first two seasons, and it's a roster of published SF writers. Tweaked a little, most of the stories could have been printed in ANALOG.

Star Wars was space opera, and the fans who called it "not science fiction" had never read Leigh Brackett or any issue of PLANET STORIES. It uses science fiction settings, but it's character-driven (one hopes) and any actual science or scientific speculation wandered in by mistake.

But that only drew the battle lines for a generation of fans now dying off. All a matter of taste now, and my taste doesn't run to franchises which prioritize political messages over story-telling and merchandising over plot.

Or to anyone who would hire JJ Abrams, actually.

The H Man Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2018 2:21 p.m. PST

I think there is a whole new subcategory to this evolving/has evolved.

People who strongly prefer the original versions of both (and other shows/movies). With Lucas trying to prevent the theatrical releases of Star Wars and Disney/ Fox, as yet, not releasing them (in New remastered versions I should point out). Even TV is only showing the newest special editions if the films (and even suggested in promos that ep 4 was the film that started it all, even though the name was not changed until 3 years after release and the film they were putting on was from some 20+ years later. Now even Star Trek is being treated the same with the modernised CGIed versions of the originals only, being broadcast in some places (namely Aus), to heck with a model that has hung in the US national air and space museum, or the people who worked on the effects for the show. No respect.

I'll stop there, best not mention ET or any others.

Basically there is a new "rivelry" going on, but this time with several camps including the studios and copyright holders. Fun stuff.

Tigerjlm22 Oct 2018 5:14 a.m. PST

Grew up with both Star Wars and Star Trek. Love both, well the original stuff anyways.

Sir Walter Rlyeh22 Oct 2018 10:37 a.m. PST

This snippet might have been relevant before the Fandom Menace and the Discovery fiasco. Both Star Wars and Star Trek jumped the shark.

Roderick Robertson Fezian22 Oct 2018 11:11 a.m. PST

It's like Dog vs. Cat debates. I like 'em both equally; each has it's own strong points and weak points.

billthecat22 Oct 2018 6:24 p.m. PST

Nicely said robert piepenbrink….

Oberlindes Sol LIC23 Oct 2018 1:26 a.m. PST

I think it's patently obvious that one is just dreck and the other is positively inspired theatrical work at all levels.

If you can't see that, you might as well watch reality tv. I'd start with Below Deck, which takes place on a yacht, so at least there's that.

The H Man Supporting Member of TMP23 Oct 2018 6:04 a.m. PST

"I think it's patently obvious.."

Pending, of course, ha ha.

One is set a long time ago in a Galexy elsewhere, ie. Irrelevant. The other is set in our possible future.

It's really like comparing apples to bat hairs. Apart from being popular sci fi, they share little in common. You may as well add Battlestar or Buck Rogers into the Frey.

Oberlindes Sol LIC23 Oct 2018 5:36 p.m. PST

Don't even get us started on comparing Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers in their various versions, or, worse, comparing versions to each other!

The H Man Supporting Member of TMP23 Oct 2018 9:56 p.m. PST

Also adding to that confusing mess would be that Star Wars was influenced by Buck Rogers and Galactica by Star Wars.

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