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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP03 Oct 2018 12:30 p.m. PST

… Yup, Many Were Bots or Bad-Faith Political Trolls.

"For months before and after the release of Star Wars: The Last Jedi—a widely critically acclaimed movie and box office titan—what appeared to have been a small number of fans made it known they were rabid haters of the movie's twist on the franchise's formula. They were mad about everything, from plot holes and director Rian Johnson's supposed disdain for the fandom to its focus on inclusivity, and they tried their best to make it all about them and how angry they were. Well, just as you might have thought, it turns out one force driving that backlash forward may have been disingenuous manipulation of social media sites like Twitter to promote political propaganda…."
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John Leahy03 Oct 2018 1:06 p.m. PST

967 tweets were examined. Not sure about the methodology here, based on what I read.



Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP03 Oct 2018 3:59 p.m. PST

Or, the film was just badly written and directed, and the "suits" signed off on it, AND now are trying to assign blame elsewhere.

Saw somewhere else it was "the fan's fault" for the less than stellar attendance and financial return.

They'd be going to the theaters in droves if the movie was any good, as we've seen from other films of the franchise.



Gotta love these quotes, unless you are an overpaid, Disney executive:

"Now that the initial weekend flush is behind it, that hot period when pretty much anything that had the Star Wars name on it could have earned $500 USD million worldwide, audience fervor for Star Wars: The Last Jedi has cooled off like a chilly winter evening on planet Hoth".

"I wanted to avoid cluttering up the chart, but I could have added all five of the other previous Star Wars live action movies and the image would remain the same: The Last Jedi is the rock-bottom, worst-holding movie of the entire 9-film franchise. Even Attack of the Clones looks like a champ in comparison".

Seems to me they've fallen into a Sarlacc Pit of fan despondency that perhaps not even "the force" can rescue.

You can quote me on that.

Earl of the North03 Oct 2018 4:04 p.m. PST

Huh, so it wasn't LJ being the worst of the Star Wars movies, poor writing, terrible boring story, killing off major characters with no explanation, huge unnecessary sidequest for for ex stormtooper guy with forced love interest, etc, etc, etc.

Yeah, it still sucked on a level that will be hard to ever match.

StarCruiser03 Oct 2018 4:31 p.m. PST

^ Don't forget the flying Princess Leia scene! That's a good one (NOT)!

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP03 Oct 2018 5:17 p.m. PST

1. California Professor
2. No peer review at time of writing
3. No effort to see what percentage of FAVORABLE writing was by persons of known political preferences--or by bots.

Though personally, I would think poorly of any bot writing in support of that movie.

The new Hollywood. If you can't script a decent story, blame the audience for noticing.

Balthazar Marduk03 Oct 2018 6:06 p.m. PST

Is it possible that we produced a movie that some people didn't like?

No, clearly the Russians are to blame.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP03 Oct 2018 6:50 p.m. PST

You know. Simple rule. If you go around telling people how they have to see or praise your movie because it promotes this cause or that group, you have absolutely no valid defense when someone says "that's why I don't like it." You've made plot, characterization, dialogue and actual film-making irrelevant to the discussion.

These guys aren't the first to do that, or even the only side to do that. The Oscar campaign for the original Alamo argued "A vote for the Alamo is a vote for America," so it goes back at least that far. But it does seem to be more common lately, and these people perhaps neglected film-making fundamentals more than most.

I'm sorry. I forgot that instead of saying "neglected film-making fundamentals" you're supposed to say "subverted audience expectations." My bad.

Cacique Caribe04 Oct 2018 8:44 a.m. PST

Robert: "No effort to see what percentage of FAVORABLE writing was by persons of known political preferences--or by bots."

Hmm. Interesting. You may have a good point there …

If someone had suggested that it was something done by the Fifty Cent Party, our sympathizing media in the West would have ridiculed the heck out of that claim.

But, because it attacks a product partly owned by those who employ the Fifty Cent Party, then our media decides that it must be some ploy. Suddenly a conspiracy could be a plausible answer. LOL.

Yeah, I agree with Balthazar Marduk. It must be "the Russians", which I think is their way of saying it's the American public, and just about anyone with a pair of eyes. :)

PS. No, I don't mean a loud party thrown by Fitty Cent.

Zephyr104 Oct 2018 2:59 p.m. PST

"Or, the film was just badly written (…)."

The money saved by eliminating just one special effect from the movie would have been better spent on improving the script…

(I never had a problem with the movie, except for rolling my eyes at the cheesy dialogue toward the end… ;-)

Cacique Caribe04 Oct 2018 8:58 p.m. PST

Or for acting lessons on a couple of people.


robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2018 2:59 p.m. PST

"The money saved by eliminating just one special effect from the movie would have been better spent on improving the script…"

My rule of thumb is that for every million dollars spent on special effects, 1% is subtracted from the script-writing budget. Once you hit a hundred million dollars in special effects, you have neither plot no dialogue. Exceptions are happy accidents.

Uparmored06 Oct 2018 1:54 a.m. PST

One of the worst, most preachy movies I've ever seen. Only didn't walk out half way throught coz my friends were there..

It was pretty clear you weren't there to see a star wars movie, you were there to have it crammed down your throat that all males are either dumb, evil or both and all women are smart, strong and better in every way.

I'm not a bot.

Lost Wolf09 Oct 2018 2:16 p.m. PST

Pretty much what Uparmored said. Bad movie loaded with PC

The H Man Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2018 6:07 p.m. PST

There are only 3 Star Wars films, the first being just that.

I'll add the 80s spin off to that. The Ewok films are well done. Better effects than any modern tat. Although it would be timely for Cindel to put in another appearance. Unless this has happened already??

Ghostrunner17 Oct 2018 7:39 a.m. PST

I'm not a bot.

Ah-ha!! Exactly what a bot would say!

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.