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green beanie30 Sep 2018 5:15 a.m. PST

Any one think that GW may bring Warmaster back? or better yet, down scale the LOTR line to 10mm?

Warcolours Painting Studio Fezian30 Sep 2018 5:24 a.m. PST

They already did with the Battle of the Five Armies game of yore

Personal logo D6 Junkie Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2018 5:47 a.m. PST

If they did it would be in a differebt scale so you could not use your old figs. Just like they just did with epic 40k

JimDuncanUK30 Sep 2018 6:24 a.m. PST

Warmaster has never gone away, guys still play, plenty of armies to hand, plenty of suitable figures to buy.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2018 7:33 a.m. PST

Green Beanie, there are accepted rules and procedures for this sort of thing. GW can't make your old army useful again--or your old rules. If you want them to bring Warmaster back in 10mm, first you have to sell off all your 10mm castings. Then they can sell 10mm figures, with new rules. Or, as D6 Junkie points out, GW can release figures in a somewhat different scale. It's your choice.

GypsyComet30 Sep 2018 8:27 a.m. PST

There is no choice, really. The pattern of the last two years is clear: change everything. Necromunda got bigger, Space Marines got bigger, Titans got bigger, Fantasy is being re-skinned slowly but inexorably.

The side games are all due for a round of trademark rejuvenation, so I think we will see all of them, including Warmaster, before too long. And if the pattern holds they'll all be flash in the pan releases, incompatible with their prior incarnations on purpose to both encourage new purchases and to ensure that the game fails. Because this is GW, and the one thing that doesn't change is their interpretation of product cycles.

Rottcodd30 Sep 2018 10:02 a.m. PST

Just played in a large game last weekend, 8 players on a 6' x 16' table. There were 20 or so armies to choose from, lots of enthusiasm and a good time had my all.
One of the players used Pendraken ancient germans as orcs, another used similar minis as beastmen. Not a dead ruleset by any means.

Pictors Studio30 Sep 2018 9:30 p.m. PST

The new titans are not in a different scale from the old epic figures just the epic titans. They are now I. The correct scale to the figures. They were too small before.

Frostie30 Sep 2018 11:03 p.m. PST

15mm would be a good scale….I have tons of 15mm fantasy…but when Warmaster was first talked about I asked a GW store manager why they chose 10mm when 15mm was more popular(at the time) and many people would buy their figures to use with their existing collections.

His answer was, GW did not make figures for other peoples games and they were only interested in their games and GW players not other peoples collections and games.

Nothing has changed

Green Tiger01 Oct 2018 12:22 a.m. PST

There was a 10mm LOTR range- I have some…

green beanie01 Oct 2018 4:44 a.m. PST

Green Tiger, you have either the GW Battle of the Five armies or Copplestone Castings 10mm LOTR figs. Nobody else did any in 10mm and Copplestone has not added any thing new to the line in three years. GW dropped the BOTFA line after a run of two years.

Mister Tibbles01 Oct 2018 4:50 a.m. PST

They chose 10mm because Rick Priestley pushed hard for the scale because he loved the mass effect. He recently did an interview talking about how hard it was to convince management to make the game.

Warmaster is free. It works with any size figures.

I doubt it will come back.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2018 5:40 a.m. PST

I expect as a GW product, it's forever dead. It was too cheap to build up a decent-sized army and stop, and the game had no real mechanism for allowing "überkill" hero figs (with appropriate prices) to be inserted in the mix.

However, the great thing is that IP is entirely about presentation, not mechanism. Thus, as long as no one redoes GW's presentation, anyone can produce 10mm figs that can be used with the game. It's even possible (though admittedly laborious) to completely rewrite the rules by changing the wording (but keeping the mechanics and concept).

As long as we play it, the game lives on!

Rdfraf Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2018 6:35 a.m. PST

I had high hopes when GW's Battle of the Five Armies came out. I bought 5 box sets and ton of their metal stuff. I then supplemented them with the gorgeous 10mm Copplestone stuff and then . . . nothing. No one came out with anything else and interest just died. I never even painted up a single unit.

GypsyComet01 Oct 2018 7:16 a.m. PST

"The new titans are not in a different scale from the old epic figures just the epic titans. They are now I. The correct scale to the figures. They were too small before."

And too cheap, apparently.

Your point is otherwise lost in the noise, as the Necromunda Goliaths have undergone the same process, and the sleight of hand regarding the new Marines is remarkably disingenuous.

"GW did not make figures for other peoples games and they were only interested in their games and GW players not other peoples collections and games."

It is worth noting that old editions of their own games are essentially "other peoples games" as far as GW is concerned.

infinite array01 Oct 2018 10:20 a.m. PST

Have you seen Warmaster Revolution?

It's an updated version of Warmaster Fantasy, using some rules from Warmaster Ancients, with a Rules Committee and updated Army Lists.


PDF link

Army Lists
PDF link

There's a decent following over in the UK, and there's going to be a tournament at Fall In 2018 here in the US. I'm planning to bring Ogre Kingdoms, using the recently kickstarter Black Gate Miniatures line.

Earl of the North01 Oct 2018 10:52 a.m. PST

If they did it would need to be a new scale, so 20mm maybe?

Schogun01 Oct 2018 11:25 a.m. PST

They'll do it in 30mm and call it Warhammer Fantasy Master.

No, wait -- not current enough…

Warhammer Age of Sigmaster?

Mithmee01 Oct 2018 11:31 a.m. PST

If they did bring it back it would be in a far larger scale since they do not want any one to be able to use the old miniatures with the new miniatures.

That is the GW way.

Bob Hume01 Oct 2018 11:53 a.m. PST

Anybody got a copy of the Battle Of Five Armies rules that they would sell. I have a box set but just cannot find the rulebook to it. Think I loaned it to someone and never got it back. Can't remember who now.

Green Tiger03 Oct 2018 2:32 a.m. PST

Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Tolkein… whatever

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