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Thresher0119 Sep 2018 2:39 a.m. PST

Here's an interesting article on how a war with China might start, and what it might look like, in Asia:

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Mister Muppet19 Sep 2018 3:43 a.m. PST

Nice piece of Western progaganda, the article. I doubt if anyone would win that war.

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2018 5:41 a.m. PST

Actually, we are already at war with China and we are on the verge of winning. Remember, warfare in the modern world takes many forms.

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And, not propaganda, just reality.

bsrlee19 Sep 2018 5:50 a.m. PST

The Daily Tele-Cr@p, bottom of the pile 'journalism', down there with the supermarket tabloids.

These days no one 'wins' a war, they just don't loose as badly as the other guy.

USAFpilot19 Sep 2018 8:13 a.m. PST

Sometimes I think the biggest war mongers out there are journalists. They over sensationalize anything just to sell a story. WWI and WWII were a catastrophe.

28mm Fanatik19 Sep 2018 8:16 a.m. PST

Although the source is a British tabloid with all the baggage that entails, the studies cited in the article originate from think tanks like the Rand Corporation. It is the job of think tanks to wargame scenarios and simulate potential conflict in order to aid the defense establishment in setting priorities, develop new doctrine and identify technologies that should be exploited.

That said, there are no new insights in this article. A war with China will be costly, and will only become even more so in terms of treasure and lives as China becomes even stronger in the coming decades. China's end game is to establish a de facto Pax Sinica much like the Romans did with Pax Romana, the British with Pax Britannica and the Americans with Pax Americana.

The million dollar question is: Will America allow China to challenge its position on top of the global food chain, or smack her down for daring to believe that it can become an equal?

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2018 8:45 a.m. PST

"For daring to believe she can become her equal'

LOL. How about as a simple survival move, like the kind some people use to excuse what China and others have done with rivals, and to do so preemptively before the odds make any military move against China completely impossible?

Dan

shirleys painting19 Sep 2018 10:25 a.m. PST

MAGA.

Vigilant19 Sep 2018 10:34 a.m. PST

The Daily Telegraph might not be the best paper out there, but it is far from a tabloid. It is, however, owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation so make of that what you will. As for StoneMtnMinis links, 1 is for an organisation which by its own admission is set up to put forward contrary views to provoke debate and the second appears to be surprised that a country wouldn't retaliate against action taken against its own trade with similar actions. Not exactly evidence of anyone winning anything. Most likely result of this current spat is that the whole world's trade will be screwed up. You can't expect to go on a policy of aggressively putting your own country 1st and not expect other countries to do the same.

jdpintex19 Sep 2018 11:41 a.m. PST

Why would we go to war with Taiwan? :)

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2018 11:43 a.m. PST

War with Taiwan???

Perhaps alongside Taiwan.

Dan

28mm Fanatik19 Sep 2018 12:23 p.m. PST

He's referring to the fact that Taiwan's official name is "China," or rather the Republic of China, as opposed to the Republic of Taiwan or Formosa.

Both China and Taiwan's official position is that there is only one China, not two. To confuse matters even more, both governments claim to represent the true China.

McKinstry Fezian19 Sep 2018 2:34 p.m. PST

These days no one 'wins' a war, they just don't loose as badly as the other guy.

Yes. Given that the PRC is the third ranked nation in nuclear throw weight (and Russia, either #1 or 2 depending on how you count and a whole lot friendlier to the PRC than us), overt war is actually an insane risk betting that as one side loses, they won't be tempted to kick over the table.

As to war by other means, I might hold off on declaring victory just yet.
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pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2018 4:12 p.m. PST

China has a lot more to lose, trade wise, that the US does. Their economy needs the US consumer market more than we need the cheap knock-offs.

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP19 Sep 2018 4:26 p.m. PST

What in the world will we ever be able to do without our $29.99 USD giant inflatable Rudolph the red nosed reindeer from big lots this Christmas-- what will put it on our roof or lawn that is the size of a small farm ??
It's unthinkable-- I think we should surrender!!

Regards
Russ Dunaway

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2018 12:39 p.m. PST

I thought a gono deal of everything is made in China including many many parts of our much vaunted top notch technologies. And rails etc.
How long do you last without them?
As if without, back to rustic ways… They sure can have numbers. And I am certain they can suffer more without collapsing.
Hope no one mad enough to think of such an actual catastrophe.
I am more weary of a decaying, USA losing its imperial powers ( who else buys imports in its own endlessly created money?) and having to side step to second place. There is only so much time begore a military power can afford more than its economy can offer.

Also dangerous: dictators with vision and not enough time to reach their glory, wanting to quicken pace. Xi. ???

Part time gamer25 Sep 2018 10:28 p.m. PST

Actually, we are already at war with China and we are on the verge of winning. Remember, warfare in the modern world takes many forms.
I'd say its not just China, but no doubt numerous nations have been carrying out Cyber War's for decades.
The issue that scares me. The day someone actually believes by using Comp. Tech., they can finally & successfully get in that "Decisive First Strike".

The day any fool thinks: "We can actually win this." That will be The End of the World.

There is only so much time begore a military power can afford more than its economy can offer.
Sounds a bit like what the "Soviet Union" did to itself.

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