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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2018 2:25 p.m. PST

"German E-50 Medium Tank "Panther II"

Fist of War Series #18

From Modelcollect

1/35th scale

The E-50 Standardpanzer was intended as a standard medium tank, replacing the Panther and Tiger I and the conversions based on these tanks. The E-50 hull was to be longer than the Panther, in fact, it was practically identical to the Königstiger (Tiger II) in overall dimensions except for the upper and lower glacis plate layout."

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Armand

Legion 410 Sep 2018 2:32 p.m. PST

Got to love the stuff on the Nazis' drawing boards, … very much "wishful" thinking/hoping …

Katzbalger10 Sep 2018 3:08 p.m. PST

I do like the walker they have in the middle picture--lower center of gravity and four legs--almost makes it look semi-practical!

Rob

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2018 4:48 p.m. PST

I keep having visions of those 1946/47 Nazi wonder weapons--manned by drafted 15 year olds, of course, perhaps eked out by a BDM contingent, some 60 year old WWI vets and a few guys who lost a limb earlier in WWII. No one ever talks about that part.

Lion in the Stars10 Sep 2018 6:30 p.m. PST

My Weird War Germans run E50s with the 75mm L/70 (can't fit the 88 into the schmalturm) and IR gear.

deephorse11 Sep 2018 3:49 a.m. PST

No one ever talks about that part.

Perhaps because we didn't know you were having visions about it. But now that we do ……

Tired Mammal11 Sep 2018 3:55 a.m. PST

Were these ever serious plans or just a means of keeping tank designers busy so that they could avoid going to the front? That or to keep Hitler placated.

Major Mike11 Sep 2018 5:42 a.m. PST

There is a Panther 2 that belongs to the National Armor and Cavalry Museum. It use to be on display at Ft. Knox. Now it is in storage at Ft. Benning.

Legion 411 Sep 2018 6:20 a.m. PST

I do like the walker they have in the middle picture--lower center of gravity and four legs--almost makes it look semi-practical!
I don't even think that was on the drawing board ! huh? Like the models of the Nazi Flying Saucer !

There is a Panther 2 that belongs to the National Armor and Cavalry Museum.
I didn't know that ! Thanks !

Greebs11 Sep 2018 7:59 a.m. PST

The Panther II prototype was a response to the ability of PTRD AT-rifles to punch through the side armour between the track run and the armour above it.

When they discovered hanging a sheet of sub-armour grade steel from the side (Schurzen) fixed the problem, they canned it.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2018 10:32 a.m. PST

Glad you like it boys!. (smile)


Amicalement
Armand

Fred Cartwright11 Sep 2018 10:45 a.m. PST

Were these ever serious plans or just a means of keeping tank designers busy so that they could avoid going to the front?

AFAIK the E Series tanks were serious designs intended to replace Germany's existing tank production with a series of vehicles in different weight classes, but sharing many components to simplify production, maintenance and supply. For example they were all planned to use the 80cm steel road wheels of the Tiger II with differing numbers or road wheels per track depending on the weight of the vehicle. It was a sensible proposal, which would have dramatically simplified and streamlined German tank production, but it came too late.

Legion 411 Sep 2018 2:07 p.m. PST

It was a sensible proposal, which would have dramatically simplified and streamlined German tank production, but it came too late.
That could be said about a lot of what the Nazis/Germans did from about '43 or '44 on …

Lion in the Stars11 Sep 2018 4:13 p.m. PST

Honestly, the Germans should have started work on the E-series in about 1941 with the first deployment in 43.

Legion 412 Sep 2018 5:45 a.m. PST

That may have been a game changer … to a point …

At least a lot more Allied Tankers may have died … unfortunately ?

Lion in the Stars12 Sep 2018 9:10 a.m. PST

@L4: Dunno about that. Germany still would have been hurting for fuel, and there's a good chance that the final drive would have been designed for the smallest of the Big 3 (E50, 75, 100), so the bigger tanks would have had Koenigstiger or Panther reliability.

Not to mention that the heavier tanks would have been eating up more armor-grade steel.

Turreted E25s with the 75mm L70 may have been the better plan, and using the E50s with an 88 as the heavy tanks.

The German tankers in Italy were certainly willing to have less armor protection to have more gun and mobility!

Fred Cartwright12 Sep 2018 12:08 p.m. PST

Dunno about that. Germany still would have been hurting for fuel, and there's a good chance that the final drive would have been designed for the smallest of the Big 3 (E50, 75, 100), so the bigger tanks would have had Koenigstiger or Panther reliability.

As they never made it into production it is just speculation as to what reliability issues, if any, they would have had. The fuel situation was always the Achilles heel. Building 50,000 M4 Type Tanks as the US did would not have been an option, they simply didn't have the fuel to run them.

Legion 412 Sep 2018 3:22 p.m. PST

L4: Dunno about that. Germany still would have been hurting for fuel, and there's a good chance that the final drive would have been designed for the smallest of the Big 3 (E50, 75, 100), so the bigger tanks would have had Koenigstiger or Panther reliability.
Well like I said, That may have been a game changer … to a point … E.g. lack of supplies, Allied Air Superiority, etc., etc. It would at best could have prolonged the war, possibly …

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