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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP04 Sep 2018 11:41 a.m. PST

A tought one for a Catholic… (smile)



earlofwessex05 Sep 2018 6:57 a.m. PST

Not so tough for a Protestant Church History teacher. (smile back).

Well, I got 731 on a timed quiz, if that matters. I missed the King James question and the one about the Oxford scholar who called the accuracy of the Vulgate into question. I had been pretty confident of my wrong answer because I've actually delivered a lecture on the guy I guessed within the last year, and he certainly was at Oxford at that time, correcting the Vulgate. However, I have not read that he was the first to do so, nor that he worked much in the gospels.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP05 Sep 2018 10:54 a.m. PST



wmyers05 Sep 2018 1:47 p.m. PST

That would be because the Catholic, as well as the Orthodox, realizes the Holy Bible is only a very small part of the Depository of the Faith!

In fact, they also know the Bible passages of how they must eat of the Flesh and drink of the Blood to be saved (John 6:53-55) (Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist) and of how everything Jesus taught could not be written down (John 21-25) but only taught through the Apostolic Succession (Bishops of the Catholic Church); this is the Sacred Deposit of the Faith, Catholic Tradition.

Protestants have not only lost all of this but they have also lost a great deal of the Holy Bible as Martin Luther decided he could not only change the wording of the Bible but also just cut various chapters and books out that he did not agree with, personally. This is why the Catholic and Orthodox Bible has the full 73 books.

So, yes, it may be hard for some Catholics as they realize they cannot interpret the Holy Bible on their own – it would be folly to think 40,000+ different interpretations of the same thing could be anything but separating the wheat from the chaff which is why the office of the Pope was created by Jesus, Himself (Luke 3:17, Matthew 16:18 and Luke 22:31).

As for Peter's authority, there is ample evidence Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as "Peter and those who were with him" (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, Matt. 17:24-27, Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7). It is Peter's faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ's flock to shepherd (John 21:17). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ first appeared to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11), and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15), and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).

But without this fundamental understanding to begin with, how then can one go on to embrace the full Sacred Deposit of what has been revealed, let alone all 7 Sacraments required for Salvation.

Although, remembering the difference between the big rock (Jesus) and the little rock (the Pope) helps in beginning to understand. Not to mention the fact Jesus spoke in Aramaic, not Greek. So, understanding "kepha" is crucial as well as comprehension that in first century Greek the words petros and petra were synonyms. So, full, accurate knowledge of history is crucial.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP06 Sep 2018 11:15 a.m. PST

Many thanks!….


Marcus Brutus08 Sep 2018 7:16 p.m. PST

Luther returned the Old Testament to those books that were originally written in Hebrew. He was conforming with the Jewish practice of the previous 1400 years.

There is no evidence, not a shred that Jesus had anything to do with the office of the Pope. That claim is historically ridiculous. Even basic offices of the church like deacon and episkopos were unknown in Jesus's time. There is not a shred of evidence that Peter was installed as the 1st Bishop of Rome.

There is no reason to think that Jesus wasn't bilingual (most people were in those days), especially considering he lived in the multicultural world of Galilee where Jews and Gentiles intermingled. How much Greek he knew is hard to say.

There is great debate about what Jesus meant in Matthew 16 when he said he "on this rock I will build me church." Not obvious to me that it has anything to do with the early church in Rome.

steve186509 Sep 2018 5:28 p.m. PST

I am Jewish, but I got 3 correct.

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