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John Tyson26 Aug 2018 6:11 p.m. PST

Enemy Orange Infantry carrots have formed up into 2 ranks but are mowed down by canister.

The cannon is my "Mini Cannon Technologies" M6 Field Cannon which normally fires a .177 caliber BB cannonball.

This time, the cannon is firing approximately 165 small #12 shot pellets.

The results are impressive! All 14 carrots had at least one hit.

YouTube link

I earlier had posted a video of the little cannon shooting a BB cannon ball into 3 ranks of enemy carrots.
TMP link

Just having fun.

God bless,
John T.

Winston Smith26 Aug 2018 6:27 p.m. PST

I have to love this practical research.

wrgmr126 Aug 2018 6:32 p.m. PST

Interesting research John.

Kevin in Albuquerque26 Aug 2018 7:02 p.m. PST

That was fun.

Personal logo Bashytubits Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2018 9:01 p.m. PST

When the general said, "where are those blasted carrots?" I don't think he meant to fire a cannon at them.

John Tyson26 Aug 2018 9:04 p.m. PST

Bashy, that's funny!

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP27 Aug 2018 1:20 a.m. PST

14 Carat video that!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP27 Aug 2018 1:57 a.m. PST

Brilliant. Just what we wanted after the roundshot experiment

Bellbottom Supporting Member of TMP27 Aug 2018 2:01 a.m. PST

Carrots are a bit hard, try it with centre sections cut from bananas maybe?

45thdiv Supporting Member of TMP27 Aug 2018 3:33 a.m. PST

I love the recoil of the cannon. How far back did it fly?


Winston Smith27 Aug 2018 6:57 a.m. PST

Now it's up to the rest of the line, on the flanks of the poor unfortunate carrots, to charge the gun before it has a chance to reload.

John Tyson27 Aug 2018 11:02 a.m. PST

Matthew, the cannon recoiled into a rolled towel I put off camera. I load with 4 grains of FFFg powder, paper towel over powder wadding, shot, paper towel over shot wadding. The #12 shot load was two/three times heavier than a single .177 caliber BB. Thus, the #12 shot load recoiled significantly more than the a BB with the same loading.

By the way, a #12 shot pellet is .05 inches or 1.27 mm in diameter. There were approximately 165 pellets in the load.

wrgmr127 Aug 2018 12:50 p.m. PST

I agree with Jarrovian, try it with slice of banana or cucumber.

williamb27 Aug 2018 12:53 p.m. PST

Great experiment. The original video and TMP post were linked on our club IO group messages and there were several members who thought about what might be used for cannister at that time.

John Tyson27 Aug 2018 1:10 p.m. PST

williamb, I hope your club approved of my canister choice.

Thank you.

God bless,
John T.

John Tyson27 Aug 2018 1:12 p.m. PST

wrgmr1, I thought of using pickles next time.

Old Contemptibles Supporting Member of TMP27 Aug 2018 2:10 p.m. PST

Did the carrots make their morale roll?

marshalGreg27 Aug 2018 2:11 p.m. PST

That was point blank
How is the result at say 3 x the range ( and more typical for fire outside effective musket-where the troops would be giving the artillerist a hard time)?



John Tyson27 Aug 2018 3:22 p.m. PST

Rallynow, no dice were used in these demonstrations. Just little vignettes for your entertainment.

evilgong27 Aug 2018 3:24 p.m. PST

John T shoots them down but still the carrots come back for more.

John Tyson27 Aug 2018 3:24 p.m. PST

marshalGreg, these little cannons are very hard to lay and aim. Plus, it'd be hard to video with just one camera at extended ranges. Sorry.

John Tyson27 Aug 2018 3:26 p.m. PST

evil, those carrots are indeed a tenacious bunch.

Marc the plastics fan28 Aug 2018 2:28 a.m. PST

Would love to do this in the U.K. but we don't have easy access to black powder 😐

John Tyson28 Aug 2018 9:31 a.m. PST

Marc, is it easier in the U.K. to get a black powder substitute like Hodgdon's Triple Seven? Substitutes are considered a flammable, whereas real black powder is considered an explosive.

The FFFg Hodgdon's Triple Seven is what I actually use, not black powder. Much safer to store a substitute than black powder.

Sir Able Brush15 Sep 2018 1:11 p.m. PST

This is the best thing!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2018 10:10 a.m. PST

I will freely admit to just responding, to simply put it back to the top.

This thread and the three rank carrots thread beats (collective maybe, could be beat) any images of Neapolitan Gendarmes, des Marines, du Genie, aux Chevaliers etc hands down…..

Just for sheer entertainment…

Winston Smith17 Sep 2018 11:40 a.m. PST

I wonder how many carrots were simply knocked over by the blast, or were only slightly wounded, and could then stand up to continue their charge, and how many were mortally wounded by shot.
Clearly you need more carrots on both flanks to determine the size and angle of the cone.

advocate25 Sep 2018 4:11 a.m. PST

How many carrots would be required to look after the injured, Winston?

John Tyson02 Jun 2019 1:55 p.m. PST

Winston, every carrot had at least one hit. All carrots were either killed or wounded. Carrot screams are terrible.

Next, shot over cannister vs carrot cavalry.
TMP link

Virginia Tory18 Jun 2019 9:50 a.m. PST

They should open those files!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP19 Jun 2019 1:34 a.m. PST

This remains one of the cleverest and most amusing bits of filming ever.

I have returned to it many times. Could you put them in a cuirasse and helmet and show how little protection results?

Personal logo 4th Cuirassier Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2019 3:44 a.m. PST

This raises an interesting figure-paintery point. The miniature gun leaves a very pronounced black powder mark on the ground. Would full-size period artillery have done the same? Should I be painting stains onto the grass in front of gun batteries?

I ask because the rules I use apply fatigue to the effects of artillery fire. The longer the crews are in action, the less effective the fire. It occurs to me that this powder-mark detail could be a really neat way of keeping track of gunner fatigue without resorting to tedious paperwork. One could instead just place progressively and noticeably larger blast-marks in front of active gun positions to indicate for how many moves the battery has been firing.

Cotton wool puffs for smoke always look like cotton wool puffs. Dry brush a bit of black paint onto a section of base, however, and Robert is one's father's sibling.

John Tyson21 Jun 2019 10:37 a.m. PST

4th Cuirassier, from the YouTube videos of full size cannons firing, it doesn't appear these leave a noticeable black mark on the ground.

Also in my mini-cannon videos, firing ~165 #12 shots left a considerably more pronounced black mark than when firing just a single BB shot. Please see some of my other mini-cannon videos for comparison.

Here are all my mini-cannon videos:
YouTube link

God bless,
John T.

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