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patrick76616 Aug 2018 5:34 a.m. PST

At what strength would a 3 rank battalion extend to 2 ranks to cover a wider front?
Would a 400 or 500 strong battalion extend to cover a 600 or 700 strong battalion front?
Any thoughts appreciated!
Thank you,
Patrick

von Winterfeldt16 Aug 2018 5:59 a.m. PST

It is in the regulations, but when the battalion was a third short of normal strength it would deploy in two ranks to keep identical frontage to 3 ranks, it varied however from army to army.

patrick76616 Aug 2018 7:06 a.m. PST

Thank you for the response. It was very helpful.
One more question; generally, would the Russians have adhered to this?

Thank you,
Patrick

marshalGreg16 Aug 2018 10:53 a.m. PST

There has been some evidence, in soldier memriors or reports that at Borodino some weak Russian battalions where in 2 ranks and/but deployed one battalion behind the other of that regiment for a 4 rank formation, against the incoming attack.
Unfortunately, I cannot remember the source to lead you to it.

patrick76616 Aug 2018 11:04 a.m. PST

Thank you for the responses,

Patrick

Rittmester16 Aug 2018 11:06 p.m. PST

Coignet describes the combat at Aspern Essling so that his batallion (French Old Guard Grenadiers) had to reduce down to one rank due to excessive losses, in order to keep up the frontage.

Rittmester16 Aug 2018 11:09 p.m. PST

See pos 2859 in Kindle version of Coignet's memoirs.

patrick76628 Aug 2018 4:36 p.m. PST

One more question.
As an example, would a 500 strong battalion extend its front to a full strength 720 strong battalion at the start of a battle, or would it start the battle with a 3 rank frontage of roughly 160 files and thin out as losses occurred to maintain that front throughout a battle?
Thank you, Patrick

Lion in the Stars28 Aug 2018 6:38 p.m. PST

I would expect that they'd start the battle in 2 ranks rather than 3. But Napoleonics isn't my core area of interest.

patrick76629 Aug 2018 6:00 a.m. PST

In other words, should a 500 strong French battalion occupy the same frontage of a 700 strong battalion at the start of a battle, assuming reduced ranks?

thank you,
Patrick

Personal logo McLaddie Supporting Member of TMP29 Aug 2018 11:57 a.m. PST

While a 500 strong battalion could occupy the same frontage as a 700 man battalion, there isn't a 'should' in this case.

Whether a unit formed two or three ranks was an option open to the commander of the battalion as well as higher ranks. It all depended on the situation, the number of men and what the commander[s] wanted…

There are examples of battalion, brigade, division and army commanders dictating how many ranks would be formed under a variety of conditions.

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