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Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2018 4:28 p.m. PST

Greetings. I'm just getting started in researching armies for the 30 Years War.

I thought it might be easier to help me chose an army and a period to concentrate on if I had a good scenario book that had battles that covered the entire conflict.

I have 2 scenario books on the ECW already and the 30YW one from Warlord which is OK but doesn't have many scenarios.

I appreciate any suggestions as I haven't had any luck so far aside from the above 3 mentioned books.


Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2018 5:51 p.m. PST

Guthrie's books, though inaccurate, could be used for semi-historic scenarios.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2018 7:38 p.m. PST

Is that this one Shags?

WKeyser13 Aug 2018 8:16 p.m. PST

Take a look at GMT web site and find thier Musket and pike series the they have number of games and dozens of battles and you can down load the play books for free. A great resource.

Green Tiger14 Aug 2018 1:09 a.m. PST

That is quite an expensive way of doing it!

WFGamers14 Aug 2018 5:03 a.m. PST

Coming soon, hopefully about a month or so, is a set of rules and scenario books for the 30YW and ECW large battles.

The 30YW scenarios will be – White Mountain, Stadtlohn, Lutter, Breitenfeld, Alte Veste, Oldendorf, Wittstock, Tornavento, Montijo, Jankau, 2nd Nordlingen/Allerheim and Lens.

We hope to publish a second set of 30YW scenarios next year.

The rules are called 'Twilight of Divine Right' and will be published by the Pike and Shot Society.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP14 Aug 2018 6:51 a.m. PST

I have the first of Guthrie's book, it's a great read lots of colorful characters, drama, and action. But apparently not high in real history.

BigE4NFL14 Aug 2018 12:54 p.m. PST

Count me in for getting the rules for the scenarios! Sounds great!

Off topic question: I have a couple of scenario booklets that have 30YW scenarios and notice that Lutzen is usually not part of the list. Is the battle too difficult to research or make work in games?

Thanks a bunch,


Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP14 Aug 2018 1:48 p.m. PST

Bige4nfl, here is youre Lutzen scenario (don't be put off that it's an ECW book. Lutzen is a bonus scenario).

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP15 Aug 2018 8:57 a.m. PST

I think there's a decent Osprey Lutzen book out there too.

WKeyser19 Aug 2018 10:54 p.m. PST

WF Gamers
Do you have any details of the rules to share with us?

WFGamers20 Aug 2018 12:10 p.m. PST


Twilight of the Divine Right is a set covering the period 1618 -60 hopefully available in the next month or so. Also released will be an ECW scenario booklet with 10 historical battles in and a TYW scenario booklet with 12 battles (there is also 1 in of each in the rules). Others will be out later covering more TYW battles, Eastern European battles and the post TYW battles.

The rules are aimed at doing large historical battles in a reasonable amount of time and with a relatively small table and numbers of figures. So most historical battles are 1 player a side in a game that should take 4 hours or so. You can use any size figures/basing you like as long as all units have the same frontage. All game measurements are in multiples of half the frontage you use. Many people use a unit frontage of 100 to 120mm as this means most games are played on a table 1.8 meters by 1.2 meters (6 foot by 4 foot) or so.

A unit is around 1000 to 2000 infantry, depending on unit type, and half that for cavalry, again varying per type.

The focus is very much on the big picture and being an Army Commander, as opposed to a 'divisional' or 'brigade' commander. The system is unusual in that there is no 'combat' as such, units just take morale tests when in dangerous situations.

I am not sure what else to say but please ask if you want to know more.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2019 9:52 a.m. PST

I ended up picking up each of the TYW GMT games as I like GMT games as a rule anyway.

I even picked up the Swedes vs Poles game which has some really interesting scenarios in it.

Thanks all again for the suggestions.

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