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Spoercken09 Aug 2018 11:22 a.m. PST

I am looking for the flag and the coat of arms of the Condottiere Roberto di San Severino, aka Roberto Sanseverino d'Aragona.

Any help?

Thanks and cheers,
Peter

Personal logo 22ndFoot Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2018 1:30 p.m. PST

There's a coat of arms in his Italian wikipedia page:

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There is a nice picture of tomb on the English one which shows several coats of arms (dukes of Austria, Trento, Tyrol, the Episcopal Principality and the Prince-Bishop Udalrico Frundsberg) and the banner of St Mark of Venice:

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The family page on this Italian nobility site has several versions of the coat of arms:

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There's this thing called Google; maybe you could try it. ;^D

Spoercken09 Aug 2018 2:13 p.m. PST

Thanks, 22ndFoot.

Indeed, I have spent more than two hours on Google. I have found an Italian Heraldic Discussion Group, where the "specialists" could not agree on a correct version for his coat of arms. It was probably not very simple, more something like this:

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They just agreed that the Aragon colours would have been integrated sooner or later into his coat of arms, when he received the right to add "of Aragon" to his name.

I thought someone on TMP would maybe know something about recent research.

Thanks again, and cheers,
Peter

Personal logo 22ndFoot Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2018 2:29 p.m. PST

Peter,

Just kidding.

The Neopolitan site shows two depictions of family coats of arms both of which include the argent a fess gules (assumig the Italian noemclature is the same). In the absence of anything else, why not go with that? It may be significant that there is no reference to Aragon on his tomb.

The Neopolitan site has – through the garrbled medium of Google translate – the following:

"Weapons:
the oldest: silver
then: silver to the red band (1) .
branch of the princes of Salerno: in the first and fourth quarters of silver in the red band, in the second and in the third in gold with four red poles (d'Aragona)

branch of the Counts of Tricarico: silver to the red band with the border of blue around the shield."

It also says, "He was named Grand Admiral and, in command of his fleet, whose ships raised the insignia of the Aragonese and Sanseverino, was the winner of the battle of Ischia (1464) against Giovanni d'Angiņ who had occupied the island, at the invitation of Giovanni Torella, son-in-law of Lucrezia d'Alagno." Indicating that both, rather than a combined, flags were flown at Ischia.

Make of that what you will and good luck with it.

Cheers,

Jon

Spoercken10 Aug 2018 1:32 p.m. PST

Thank you, Jon. That's interesting, and I agree that's the way to go. I will stay with silver with red band.

Cheers,
Peter

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