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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2018 11:47 a.m. PST

…. No. 227 "Not a Step Back!"

"Joseph Stalin's Order 227 has led people to assume that the Red Army could only fight through intimidation. The film Enemy at the Gates is a typical example of this idea; showing the Soviets at the battle of Stalingrad to waste the lives of their men. But is this really the case? Well… no.

Yes, I said 1942 was the beginning of the war – I'm sorry about that. I keep talking about Stalingrad, and therefore I keep repeating 1942, 1942, 1942 to the point that it's become a habit. I then also didn't catch it in editing. So please forgive me for this error. The war began on the 22nd of June 1941.

Check out the pinned comment below for more information, notes, links, and sources…."


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Amicalement
Armand

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2018 12:18 p.m. PST

The war began in 1939, with Russia on the other side. Many lefties have trouble remembering this.

A sample was sufficient, thank you.

Perhaps he could post another half-hour rant explaining the difference between being untermenschen and being a "class enemy?"

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Aug 2018 12:51 p.m. PST

Without referencing the original post (as yet unread by me),
"Good on you, Brother Piepenbrink!"

TVAG

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2018 12:53 p.m. PST

I enjoyed the vid – thanks for posting. I subscribe to his channel for his OOB vids – had not seen this one.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2018 2:41 p.m. PST

When the state owns the people, their lives are just another resource that they can expend as needed.

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Aug 2018 5:05 p.m. PST

It's the Russians don't you know. They win everything and are geniuses?
They invented the car, the airplane, the phone, electricity, the light bulb, penicillin, home computers, cell phones, rock and roll, etc etc etc -- just to mention a very small few.
Shoot, they are such geniuses that they , just by using some clever sock puppetry and publishing propaganda can effect the whole Democratic process?

Regards
Russ Dunaway

Mark 106 Aug 2018 8:16 p.m. PST

The war began in 1939, with Russia on the other side. Many lefties have trouble remembering this.

A sample was sufficient, thank you.


Of course a sample was sufficient. That way you didn't need to trouble yourself with knowing what you were criticizing.

In the link, at 0:20:
"Germany invades the Soviet Union in June of 1942…"

So he is correcting himself in the introductory text. He got it wrong. Germany did not invade the Soviet Union in 1942. It was 1941. He knows that. He accepts his error, and states it.

But it would have taken 20 whole seconds to see what it was about. It's much easier to just brand him a commie leftist pinko.

I enjoyed the vid – thanks for posting.

As did I.

He consistently goes past the labels and stereotypes, and looks into the details, and the nuance, and the factors behind the popular images of the war. Of course that's no help at all when you just want to spout slogans.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP07 Aug 2018 4:37 a.m. PST

Mark 1: agreed. I was really surprised by the previous comments as my take on this guy / his channel is completely different.

If one watches his vids it is obvious he does serious research into each topic and posts his sources with each one.

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