"Jane Fonda Regrets" Topic

Jane Fonda spoke out at the Television Critics Associations Summer Press Tour about her rebellious-nature and being labeled a tratior for her actions during the Vietnam War…

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My father is only 4 years older than Hanoi Jane, and he flew 200 combat sorties over SEA, some undoubtedly over the very gun she poised on…

I see this thread getting nuked very quickly….

I shall also keep my mouth closed on this subject….

She apologized years ago. And then retracted it.
Rinse. Repeat.

Where's that popcorn eating gif when you need it…

Not worth the ink

She apologises each time she has a new product coming out.
This time it's an HBO special.

A sincere apology that wasn't linked to her commercial success would carry more weight.

She failed to mention how she was allowed to visit privately with some of the US prisoners in the Hanoi Hilton. They told her of the mistreatment and torture that the Vietnamese inflicted on them. She called them liars and reported them to the prison authorities. That resulted in the prisoners getting additional torture.

She even tried to excuse herself once by saying that she was very uncomfortable during the entire camera shooting. Her pictures and comments from other people in her entourage on that trip say different.

LOL. Can she be believed now? Well … doesn't she act for a living? It's just another one of her acts. Nothing more.

Dan

WS: +1

Isn't it time for Hanoi Jane to just dry up and blow away?

It would be far better if every president that continued the war but in private were convinced it could not be won to apologize.

My Father in Law served 27 months in Vietnam with 5th Special Forces Group, was a Silver Star w/Valor winner and was wounded(which cut short his 3rd tour).

He was heard to have said, Fonda is a .

Well said.

He was heard to have said, Fonda is a .

Just look at those naive and stupid grins and faces!!
"Can't we all Just hold hands, share, and be friends???"
Just sickening and I am afraid that there are more of them then ever all around us today !!!

Regards
Russ Dunaway

My father served for two years in Vietnam and I will never forgive Hanoi Jane for what she said or did. I wish her a slow, painful death like many of the soldiers and prisoners went through.

She could be a pro-war poster-girl in 'Barbarella.'

A distant cousin …

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There is no statute of limitations on these:

18 USC §2381. Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000 USD; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

18 USC §2388. Activities affecting armed forces during war

(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or

Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so-

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

I cant believe she has any true remorse for anything. She is a spoiled B***H. Any of us involved in the war had a great deal of animosity towards her.

"Oh you silly little Viet Cong and NVA guys, your all so cute -- this is fun -- someday I'll have you all over to my big mansion -- deal ???" 🐴

My father did three tours in Vietnam. As far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell.

What so ever some one thinks in their heart, so are they.

JANE Who?…

Didn't she die years ago?

Only Fonda I remember was Henry.

GOOD actor.

WW2 vet…

Believe he had a son involved in some motorcycle flick in the late 60's and an ambitious daughter who made a couple of r-rated movies in the early seventies.

Sad he had no kids to live up to his greatness.

Whats the saying?

"Actions speak louder than words"

She's still clueless.

She should visit every VA hospital in the nation and personally apologize to every Vietnam veteran that lives in one. Then I might suspect she may be sincere, but I doubt it.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Jane Fonda is past and gone. There are a lot more serious threats to you, your children and family with the post-feminists.

While the anger and scorn are totally legitimate, Jane Fonda is just a distraction. One way to look at it is that the information is stirring up emotions.

Ask yourselves whether there is nothing else at the moment that should deserve more your discontentment?

Just taking a moment from the emotion. Just taking a pause will make you far more aware than being driven by a constant flow of "news".

my 2 cents

The North Vietnamese propaganda team played a blinder there.It is, or should be, a textbook example of effective war propaganda. It's still getting the desired effect even to this day.

Jane Fonda is hardly the first and last celebrity who rubbed shoulders with people at odds with the US. Take Lindberg and the nazis, or the people who worshipped Stalin during WWII and sometimes long after, Dennis Rodman is good chums with that Kim guy in North Korea and how many politicians turned out to have links with unsavory dictators like Saddam, Marcos or Batista. We've seen famous actors and singers rub shoulders with mob bosses.

She's a side note in a conflict that was a horrible idea to begin with and Fonda is proof that people back then had no clue that even if the US were fighting an unjust war for the wrong reasons, on the side of some really nasty people, the other side isn't automatically a saint, far from it, many good people who had endured hardship under Diem and were actively opposing him were purged by the North Vietnamese because they feared they would turn against them.

so many ..she had chances
to apologize to vets..and refused many times..so she can …..bleep!..bleep…bleep!!!…..and bleep again.

Well, I can't say I approve of her actions but – javelin98 – the problem with your quoted 'no statute of limitations' offences is of course that Congress never declared War, so they don't apply.

So she could, and did, exercise her right to free speech and the rule of law.

Not, admittedly things the North Vietnamese were noted for, but you can't arbitrarily impose sanctions on her outside the law, unless you want to become the same as them.
And we don't want that do we?

She failed to mention how she was allowed to visit privately with some of the US prisoners in the Hanoi Hilton. They told her of the mistreatment and torture that the Vietnamese inflicted on them. She called them liars and reported them to the prison authorities. That resulted in the prisoners getting additional torture.

It would appear that this isn't true:
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Celebrities can be odd people & her visit to North Vietnam was ill considered. I am somewhat bemused by the rancour she seems to excite amongst some. As far as a non-American can tell though, she does seem to be a bit of a scape-goat for the US losing the Vietnam War.

… and how many politicians turned out to have links with unsavory dictators like Saddam, Marcos or Batista.

You left out the current one with Putin because of TMP's "10-year rule" on politics?

"Ask yourselves whether there is nothing else at the moment that should deserve more your discontentment?"

I'm fully capable of doing more than one thing at a time. I can see what damage people on the other side of the political spectrum are doing, and still hold this woman in complete, utter, contempt.

I did two tours in Vietnam. The first was shortened drastically by an encounter with an anti-personnel mine and the second was slightly shortened by US troops being pulled out of Vietnam. I have a Purple Heart and a couple of Army Commendation Medals, for whatever that's worth. I didn't give a damn about Jane Fonda then and forty+ years later I still don't.

LT

Patrick R: "Jane Fonda is hardly the first and last celebrity who rubbed shoulders with people at odds with the US. Take Lindberg and the nazis, or the people who worshipped Stalin during WWII and sometimes long after, Dennis Rodman is good chums with that Kim guy in North Korea and how many politicians turned out to have links with unsavory dictators like Saddam, Marcos or Batista. We've seen famous actors and singers rub shoulders with mob bosses."

Hardly the same thing in most of those cases, as there were 1) no active military conflicts with most of those countries at that time, costing American military casualties at the hands of those leaders right as these "social" visits were actually taking place.

Also, 2) Jane Fonda was in the ascendancy/prime of her career, and exploited that thoroughly during her anti-government activism when she still had influence over many. Rodman is a joke that no one has ever taken seriously. Because of that his negative influence on the morale of our troops and our county in general is nil.

With a government left so afraid of being called "McCarthyist" by Hollywood and media in general, it was easy for Jane Fonda to do her treasonous stunt with relative impunity from the authorities. The only way America can punish her is through her wallet, even now decades later, and hope the others now at the top of the entertainment industry get the message that what they do can have lasting repercussions.

Anyway, it's not as if these Hollywood actors and other top entertainers ever "forgive and forget" when someone else does anything they themselves disapprove of. They are even quick to shun and discipline their own (calling them traitors) if that person doesn't sell 100% of Hollywood's current agenda, and they will even punish previous personalities and their now vintage works retroactively for not having promoted today's Hollywood "standards" back in their day.

So, bottom line … if the celebrities can and do exercise their freedom of expression for decades after an event (and exploit their celebrity influence to do so), then the rest of us little peasant people can also, with what power we have over their wallet. :)

Dan

Jane Fonda is a traitor in my humble opinion, I do not believe for a moment her "apology" or "conversion" stories.

As far as a non-American can tell though, she does seem to be a bit of a scape-goat for the US losing the Vietnam War.

Hyperbole … I hope … Some may consider the US losing the Vietnam War on a strategic level. But certainly won it on a tactical. But a vast amount paper, video tape, net time, etc., etc., has been spent discussing this. And no one's mind has or will be changed, AFAIK.

Regardless … win or lose … Jane Fonda had very little to anything to do with it.

brass1

Those pics of Hanoi Jane say it all … looks like a act treason … to me, But I'm no a JAG, etc.

Rodman is a joke that no one has ever taken seriously. Because of that his negative influence on the morale of our troops and our county in general is nil.

Very true and that is the same that can be said about Hanoi Jane. Then and now … Jane Fonda = 0

what power we have over their wallet.

CC, doesn't seem to be working:
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Hyperbole … I hope

Not at all. Losing the Vietnam War, on any level you care to name, seems to excite denial in some Americans.

… Jane Fonda had very little to anything to do with it.

We'll both agree on this point but I feel, in this thread alone, a different view exists.

A vast amount paper, video tape, net time, etc., etc., has been spent discussing this. And no one's mind has or will be changed, AFAIK.

Yes … win or lose … Jane Fonda had very little to anything to do with it.

Cacique Caribe!

+2!

TVAG

I've really gotta ask …

1) Has anyone ever factored into their games the enemy's use of psyops against your troops which, in this case, clearly includes Jane's stunt?

2) Has anyone ever come up with a 28mm or 15mm figure for her?

Dan

No one regular person has much to do with a war, but we can still determine if that individual helped their country or were a traitor. Jane Fonda was a traitor, declaration of war or not. I won't buy or watch any of her movies, nor do I buy her apology.

And unlike those who endorsed Hitler or Stalin, we were not fighting their troops at the time. As for Lindbergh he flew fifty missions in the Pacific as a civilian consultant during WWII.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

@Gwydion: Please see the following:

18 U.S. Code § 2331 – Definitions

(4) the term "act of war" means any act occurring in the course of—
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin; …

The statutes I cited previously still apply.

Freedom of Speech does not over shadow an individual from committing acts of treason during a conflict, AFAIK.

E.g. The Army E-3 or 4 who purposefully leaked classified intel to Wikileaks. He was given life[IIRC] at Leavenworth. He was lucky he was not shot/hung. But as we know he[now she] was pardoned by the outgoing POTUS. ['Nuff said, so this does not go political, etc. That was not my intent, only to make a comparison, etc. for historical context. Of a somewhat similar case/situation.]

So as we see, Fonda may have had no charges against her as the war became so very divisive, polarized, unpopular, etc. However, even in the "court of public opinion" Fonda [or he/she more recently] may have gotten way with treason and in latter case possibly murder, or more likely manslaughter. Getting sources, operatives, etc., killed once their identities were made public.

I sponsored a Vietnamese high school student about 7 years ago. She was from Ho Chi Minh City which she said everyone called Saigon. Her dad has an HVAC company and makes good enough money to send his kids to college in California. I wish I did but if I had the money I'd send them elsewhere.

She said her dad spent a few years in a "re-education camp". She said SVN is very Capitalist but the North much less so. This poor girl spent 90% of her time locked in her room studying. She said if she did not get at least a 4.0 GPA her parents would beat her when she got home. I told her I had it the same way when I attended the Parris Island Finishing School in SC.

Since we are on the topic of traitors, anyone want to take the first shot at John Kerry?

Wolfhag

She could have said whatever she wanted on her own. But was she did in Hanoi* was at the very least consorting with the enemy and helping further their goals and psyops tactics. I would have thrown espionage too into the mix, just to press the message home.

Dan
* It really started when she first made contact with their spies/agents.

> Since we are on the topic of traitors, anyone want to take the first shot at John Kerry?

Rather take it at draft dodgers that brought us into war instead. Cheney comes to mind.

Dynaman

Why compare the two, Kerry and Cheney, as if they were exactly apples to apples? (I'm not in favor of draft-dodging, mind you.)

But did Cheney tell others to organize and to dodge the draft too? Did he help promote the enemy's psyops propaganda goals, the way Fonda and Kerry did?

If they are somehow on the same to you, then let's include Bill Clinton too then, and put him on the same level as Fonda and Kerry then. Is that what you suggest? :)

Dan