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Fingerspitzengefuhl17 Jul 2018 1:18 p.m. PST

I understand that this panzer programme was similar to Jägernotprogramm, "Fighter Emergency Program"

I'm looking for any English sources


deephorse17 Jul 2018 2:42 p.m. PST

Do you mean the Adolf Hitler Panzer Programme?

Mark 117 Jul 2018 5:05 p.m. PST

Pz 38t chassis with a steam engine.

Pz II with "Gassifier" so that a slightly (!) modified engine could operation on coal smoke.

SdKfz 251 with "Gassifier" so that a slightly (!!) modified engine could operate on wood smoke.

Don't think this is what you were asking about, but this is the "emergency" tank program Germany needed after August 1944. Total petroleum supplies were reduced by some 80%, and total vehicle fuel supplies were reduced by about 60-65% by the Allied bombing campaign, and that was BEFORE Romania (and hence the Ploesti oil fields) were lost to the Axis cause.

Once the Ploesti oil fields were lost, it was either the kinds of things shown above, or this (below). No other tank production program made sense.

(aka: Mk 1)

Lion in the Stars17 Jul 2018 6:47 p.m. PST

That's not wood smoke, that's wood gas.

It's not terrible, as the wood gas process is basically making charcoal (heating wood w/o oxygen) and then using the gasses emitted (mostly methane, some more complex) in a re-tuned engine.

But IIRC those were for the driver training vehicles.

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP17 Jul 2018 8:09 p.m. PST

ArsenalM actually made several wood gas vehicles in HO scale. I have the Tiger I driver training vehicle and it's really nice. It has been discontinued but Fidelis Models still has one in stock.


Mike Bunkermeister Creek
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Fingerspitzengefuhl17 Jul 2018 9:42 p.m. PST

I understand that it was the streamlining of AFVproduction on on only three chassis:
Pz 38 (d)
Tiger II

Any ideas?

Martin Rapier18 Jul 2018 3:20 a.m. PST

According to the Osprey on Panzer Divison 1944-45 it refers to a production schedule laid down in January 1945.

It is on google books. Just google 'emergency panzer programme'.

hurrahbro18 Jul 2018 3:29 a.m. PST

For those curious about the palava you have with wood gas, watch this video.

YouTube link

Frontovik18 Jul 2018 5:17 a.m. PST

As Lion in the Stars says the wood gas vehicles were for driver training.

1945 was a bit late to be worrying about standardisation.

deephorse18 Jul 2018 6:21 a.m. PST

Pz 38t chassis with a steam engine.

Not quite.

It is the prototype SK-13 "Dampfschlepper" steam driven tractor and recovery vehicle based on a Pz 38(d) chassis.

kabrank18 Jul 2018 6:34 a.m. PST

In addition some synthetic [from coal] fuel production would have continued.

Personal logo 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2018 7:48 a.m. PST

Never heard of this too-little-too-late program. Reminds me of the Chinese proverb:

"Never burn incense when all is well, but clasp Buddha's feet when in distress."

Legion 418 Jul 2018 7:54 a.m. PST

May be of some interest … From GHQ :

When the German military planned the 1945 modernization of the AFV range, they adopted the improved Skoda chassis, called Aufklaerer 38(d), for the lighter vehicles. It not only improved on the 38(t) design, but also facilitated production in German factories. The E-10 was the improved light PanzerJäger – an up-graded Hetzer. It mounted a 7.5cm L/48 gun, and had frontal armour on the glacis 60mm thick. This vehicle featured an unusual adjustable suspension for going into a very low silhouette: so unusual that GHQ is offers 2 different packs of this vehicle!

The Entwicklung program (which loosely translates in the "development") called 6 different weight classes. The E-25 group was for 25 to 50 ton vehicles. This self-propelled gun was to replace the aging collection of sturmgeschutz based on the Panzer III and IV chassis. The armament was a 7.5cm L/71 gun, and the small turret carried a 2cm FlaK gun. The same chassis and drive train was to be used on the Waffenträger II series.



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