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Garde de Paris Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2018 9:30 a.m. PST

Can anyone identify the regiment of the voltigeur on the right? I do not recall ever seeing a dark-blue French uniform with black facings, except for engineers – who did not have voltigeurs.

We often see the figure on the left – a grenadier – in the white long-tailed uniform as worn by the 15eme de ligne in Spain. Here is wears an overcoat.

This is from Pinterest:



JimDuncanUK12 Jul 2018 10:16 a.m. PST

I get no picture.

Personal logo Jeff Ewing Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2018 10:23 a.m. PST

Does this show?:


<rant> Pinterest is BLIGHT on the internet, IMO. You find an interesting picture, and there is ZERO context, annotation, scholarship, anything. I hate it.</rant>

Edit: the title is: "Sergente dei granatieri del 15 rgt. fanteria di linea e Volteggiatore del 4 rgt."

marshalGreg12 Jul 2018 10:37 a.m. PST

Perhaps one of the French legions of foreign troops. IE Irlandis

Brechtel19812 Jul 2018 10:49 a.m. PST

The uniform is obviously a field uniform the unit being far from the flag pole and anything resembling a normal clothing issue. The facings, vest, trousers, etc., are not even close to regulation for color, but the cut of the uniform is accurate for line infantry prior to the 1812 uniform regulations.

French units, especially in Spain, came up with non-regulation colors if that was all that could be had either to repair or replace worn uniforms.

Personal logo Morning Scout Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2018 11:01 a.m. PST

Thinking this is really just blue facings

Esquire Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2018 12:19 p.m. PST

I got nothing. I think the artist was lost

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2018 1:09 p.m. PST

I'd say it was meant to be the same color, too, just picked out for contrast. Didn't most voltiguer uniforms rely heavily on piping to break up the monochrone dark blue?

How well would black show up against un-faded, nearly black indigo blue, anyway? There's not enough contrast.

Garde de Paris Supporting Member of TMP12 Jul 2018 2:00 p.m. PST

You guys are Great! The 15eme de ligne served in a division of the 2nd Corps in Spain with the 36eme de ligne (uniform specifics unknown) and the 2eme and 4eme Leger!

Rousselot has a marvelous illustration of 4 men from the 2eme Leger, with long-tailed coats. If the black facings are actually dark blue, perhaps this is a voltigeur of the 4eme leger, but not sure if this is a long-tailed coat. The white metal diamond and buttons also suggest Leger.

The yellow cuff flap is repeated in the voltigeurs of the 9eme leger, so this may be accurate for the 4eme leger.

The only problem is the squared lapels.


davbenbak Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2018 6:31 a.m. PST

It may just be a black cravat worn around the neck to keep warm and not part of the uniform at all???

AICUSV01 Aug 2018 1:52 p.m. PST

The caption does say the 4th Regt. he facing and cuff I believe are suppose to be blue. The artist took a little liberty he making them a different shade than the coat.

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