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Glengarry508 Jul 2018 1:20 p.m. PST

I'm putting together a Plastcraft Games Sekibune, a Japanese warship from the 16th century. The thing is, it's an ironclad and I have never come across an armoured Japanese war craft of the period in my reading. Can anyone point to evidence of this Japanese "turtle ship" ever existing?

clibinarium08 Jul 2018 1:53 p.m. PST

I've never heard of an ironclad sekibune, though its possible it was tried after contact with the kobukson after 1592. Thing is though that the kobukson wasn't ironclad in the sense that its hull was still wooden, only its deck/roof had iron plates and spikes.
Looking at the model it may be that its iron in the world of Kensai, which is semi-fantastical?

Glengarry508 Jul 2018 2:11 p.m. PST

They often do make references to their products being "suitable" for various Samurai fantasy rules sets but I haven't come across this level of ahistorically in their sets before.

Rabelais08 Jul 2018 3:31 p.m. PST

It looks more like an Atakebune if anything. There's a reference in the Shincho-koki to them being iron-plated.

clibinarium08 Jul 2018 3:53 p.m. PST

I seem to remember some reference to such ships capsizing easily? Possibly in the text caption to a plate in Stephen Turnbull's "Samurai Warfare "? I thought though that they were large and heavy examples, don't recall specific reference to iron. I'm away from my books so I can't check.

Koxinga08 Jul 2018 6:21 p.m. PST

The "ironclads" of Japan were called Tekkosen, and the Blog here does a good job of putting them in context.
But the Plastcraft Sekibune is a bit small and not representative of the Tekkosen, which were generally larger and served as flagships. Although the Japanese were big fans of dark lacquer, so that might work?

On a side note, I find it very unlikely that the Korean Turtleship was actually iron plated, given that there are no contemporary accounts of it, and the rather odd placement(on the top rather than the sides)

Glengarry508 Jul 2018 8:55 p.m. PST

The Plastcraft model seems to be too small to represent these Japanese "ironclads" so I might repaint the metal parts as wood.
Thanks all

Personal logo Bowman Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2018 3:25 p.m. PST

I can't make myself worry about this too much. I can suspend my disbelief and pretend it's dark lacquer. I you can't, then Sarrissa makes a nice pirate boat.


OSHIRO models10 Jul 2018 8:16 a.m. PST

If wooden boats are your thing there are these.


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