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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 10:26 p.m. PST

… the red scare if he didn't die due to a car accident?

Interesting thread…

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Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 11:50 p.m. PST

"accident"?

deephorse01 Jul 2018 5:53 a.m. PST

Interesting?

Fred Cartwright01 Jul 2018 5:56 a.m. PST

Sounds like a load of ball hooks to me!

Legion 401 Jul 2018 6:11 a.m. PST

IMO, whenever someone mentions he was kill on purpose … I think … tinfoilhat

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2018 9:38 a.m. PST

During the Red Scare, he was on duty in CONUS following WWI. Is someone trying to say the McCarthy Era? Let's keep our vocabulary straight.

But McCarthy and company were largely concerned with Communist infiltration of the media and education, and with unwise granting of security clearances. Hard to see where Patton would fit in. Retired somewhere in Virginia would be my guess.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2018 10:56 a.m. PST

I agree with Robert – Patton was all set to retire before WWII, so I would guess he would be happily retired on a horse farm in Virginia

Mobius01 Jul 2018 11:23 a.m. PST

Or, he could of gone on to command in Korea.

gamershs Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2018 12:08 p.m. PST

He would have been 67 in 1948 so I suspect he would have been retired. There were any number of officers who had proven themselves in WW2 and with the contraction of the army those who were at retirement age would have been forced to retire.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2018 2:15 p.m. PST

"accident"?

IMO, whenever someone mentions he was kill on purpose … I think … tinfoilhat

I may have been making a joke, Ralph.

Mobius01 Jul 2018 2:20 p.m. PST

MacArthur was nearly 5 years older.

Legion 401 Jul 2018 2:26 p.m. PST

Errata … that should read > was killed on purpose …

Damn autocorrect ! huh?

Lee49401 Jul 2018 4:08 p.m. PST

I concur. Retired. Fade fade away.

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2018 3:02 a.m. PST

So many problems with the Patton was murdered narrative.

First of all his opinion was not unique in allied ranks, a bunch of generals distrusted the Soviets and did fear that they might try to grab even more terrain than what they did. Some did voice it openly, yet none of them was murdered, nor were they ever banned from writing it in their memoirs etc not in the early period or at any point during the Cold War.

Given that a bunch of people in Washington were already taking a potential conflict (large or small) with the USSR into account and orders came down from HQ to treat the area where they would meet the Soviets as a potentially hostile zone and take appropriate measures. At the same time Soviet movements were being carefully monitored and assessments of Soviet strength was a priority. Of course none of this was made public because they didn't want to antagonize the Soviets any more than the slightly uneasy and tense situation that would develop at the end of the war.

Another main problem is Patton as the mythical invincible general, he was quite competent, but he has been turned into a parody of the actual man and he's variously tagged as the default choice for every top job in the US, including president or Marshall's replacement, while we have very little information about his own post-war plans.

He was apparently so powerful and dangerous that he would be an uncontrollable loose cannon who would orchestrate the full rearmament of the German army and charge headlong at the Soviets right under the nose of everyone else. Something which you can only believe if you ever saw hagiographies of him, which are plentiful enough. Many of his "miracles" turn out to be regular actions, planned in advance. The same applies to his "miraculous" dash to the Rhine, most of the opposition had been mopped up or was busy elsewhere, but people will believe he had to wade through entire divisions of hardened SS elite stormtroopers and somehow used his gumption to find the fuel to move his whole army, whereas he hardly had a few recon elements on hand for a photo op and several units were stuck miles away without any fuel. There is no merit in redistributing your available fuel to a few key units for a photo op and claim you marched your army to the Rhine when in fact you barely tagged it with a ten foot pole.

And nobody found his death was in any way weird, until somebody writes a fiction in the 1970's and when the conspiracy finally gets traction we get stories about crazily complex plans to disguise his death as an accident but doing it in such a way it could have gone wrong a million times over

And suddenly we hear that everyone whose name is recognized by more than five people is apparently implicated. Stalin because he feared that Patton would drive all the way to Moscow to personally lynch him, Eisenhower and Truman and even Churchill who apparently had so much power that every enemy commander was his own personal hand puppet and orchestrated the entire war for his personal glory …

It's the perfect conspiracy for the true believers of the Patton Myth, who don't want to see him die ironically and then imagine a future so bright and controversial he could only have been murdered by lesser men who despised him …

Patton never really made his post-war plans public to a great degree. He didn't wish to remain in Europe and expected to get a last job in Washington or if nothing was forthcoming to retire. He never expressed much enthusiasm for politics and probably would need some prodding to get him to run for any position.

He might have gotten the job of Superintendent at West Point, though he devoured military history he was never an academic at heart, so it all depends on his own whims.

It seems to me that Patton fully understood he had a pretty full legacy and he while he was a larger than life figure in what he did, he was wise enough not to want the whole world, unlike say MacArthur …

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP02 Jul 2018 11:01 a.m. PST

Well said my friend….

Amicalement
Armand

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