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khanscom27 Jun 2018 6:19 p.m. PST

Can anyone provide the name and rank of the officer commanding the 4th Dutch Light Dragoons in the Waterloo campaign?

Ed von HesseFedora27 Jun 2018 6:26 p.m. PST

According to Wikipedia, Luitenant-Kolonel Johan Renno

khanscom27 Jun 2018 6:32 p.m. PST

Thank you for the quick response.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2018 2:41 a.m. PST

Adkin agrees. Lt Col J C Renno (unusual name for the Netherlands?). Wounded in the campaign and commanded 4 sqdns of 647 men.

One Wilhelm van Heerdt is quoted in Franklin's Netherlands Correspondence………that Renno was wounded in the leg at about 3pm, during the French cavalry attacks, and Major von Staedel succeeded him

Le Breton Inactive Member28 Jun 2018 9:14 a.m. PST

Johan Christiaan Renno

Schwarzenau, Hesssen-Darmstadt 1764 – Arnhem 1829
4e Nederlandse Lichte Dragonders – luitenant kolonel

bio :

portrait (with Militaire Willems-Orde 3e klasse awarded for Waterloo) :

Le Breton Inactive Member28 Jun 2018 11:12 a.m. PST

The second in command :
majoor Carel Frederik von Staedel (Karl Friederich v. Stâdel)

The regimental history (in dutch):

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP28 Jun 2018 12:27 p.m. PST


What is impressive here is the quality of expertise that is available.

I pulled three or four books off my library shelves.

They are all books available to any connoisseur of Google!

Le Breton. Respect

Le Breton Inactive Member28 Jun 2018 2:37 p.m. PST

Dear Mr Deadhead,

You are too kind.
I really like it when I can answer questions : I feel like I get "karma-points" or some such for when I post a question facing me.

One might be amused : the majoor van Staedel received the Militaire Willems-Orde for Waterloo, but his was of the 4e klasse and was promoted lieutenant-colonel. I am sure his family was related to the von Städel in Frankfurt, but I can't find the link. Our major was himself born in Amsterdam in 1762, entering Netherlands service in 1793 as a supplemetary cornet in the regiment of Gelderland cavalry of general van Tuyll van Serooskerken. He appears to have passed to French service with the annexation ofthe Netherlands.

Then with the rank of "ritmeester" (cavalry captain), von Staedel founded in December 1813 in Amsterdam from the civilian guards ("garde soldee"), two squadrons forming the Regiment Lichte Dragonders van Von Staedel. In early January 1814 they merged with the two squadrons of Barchman Wuytiers raised in Utrecht to form the Regiment Lichte Dragonders Nr. 2), which was re-named as the 4th regiment in April 1815 – in time for Waterloo.

Von Staedel appears to retire in the rank of colonel in late 1818.

khanscom28 Jun 2018 4:45 p.m. PST

Awesome, guys! I can remember the days when information in this depth would require a trip to several academic libraries. Thank you again.

Personal logo 4th Cuirassier Supporting Member of TMP29 Jun 2018 4:52 a.m. PST

Not directly relevant but "Renno" sounds like a French emigre name to me. I bet he had ancestors called Renault who moved to a Dutch speaking country and, having the choice of keeping either the spelling or the sound but not both, chose the sound.

This is how we know Brian Eno was of French descent (Yneaux, pronounced Eno) and likewise Walt Disney's original family name was d'Isigny, pronounced Disnyee.

I love it when names do this. It is usually an Ellis Island thing but not always, as here (or so I reckon).

People called Menzies who pronounce it Menghies are correct. In Middle English there were 28 not 26 letters of the alphabet. One, "yogh", was a double letter gh, and written like a 3 or a z with a long tail. Lazy printers ran out of yoghs so they used a spare (because little used) z instead, hence Menzies.

The other double letter was "thorn", which was th. Thorn looked a lot like a y and they used ys when they ran out of thorns. So when you see a pub called Ye Old Green Manne, they wrote it as ye, but they actually said "the".

I don't know why I went off on that. Don't get me onto pub names. Goat and Compasses: God Encompass Us. Elephant and Castle: Infanta of Castile. Etc…

Stoppage29 Jun 2018 6:06 a.m. PST

Infanta de Castile? You're having a giraffe.

Personal logo 4th Cuirassier Supporting Member of TMP29 Jun 2018 7:02 a.m. PST

A giraffe? Do you mean a Turkish?

Three Armies29 Jun 2018 7:41 a.m. PST

I'm old school cockney it's always been a Turkish Bath to me. Giraffe pfft milenials.

In other news I'm really impressed with the help people give here on TMP. no to improve my dutch…

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP01 Jul 2018 2:15 a.m. PST

4th C….that is brilliant.

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