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21 Jun 2018 11:17 a.m. PST
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Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2018 9:02 a.m. PST

If the producers and decision makers at CBS had any desire to extend the ST franchise instead of retconning Trek into the struggling ST: Discovery show (which isn't bringing in the numbers for CBS All Access they planned), why not let the professional fan film community have a go at it?

The no-budget productions like Axanar, Star Trek Renegades, etc. look and feel more like Trek than Discovery and have continuity with older series/movies while taking Trek in new directions.

Imagine what they could do with a real budget?

Renegades:
YouTube link

Axanar:
YouTube link

And if you want to retcon, these guys did a good no-budget job of it!
YouTube link

Dynaman878921 Jun 2018 10:12 a.m. PST

Axanar was not low budget.
Star Trek Renegades looked low budget in addition to being low budget. Fan films can get away with that, professional productions can not.

The Beast Rampant21 Jun 2018 11:16 a.m. PST

How silly- you know the Industry can't have anyone with appreciation and respect for such properties anywhere near them! They lack the proper "Vision"(tm).

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2018 12:25 p.m. PST

Guys, we got two great seasons. Everything else good we got was gravy. Let it go. It's been dead 50 years, and it's not coming back.

We have a much better chance of getting something great again with something new and untried than we have with something they're watching closely.

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2018 1:38 p.m. PST

Axanar was not low budget.

It cost $80,000 USD to produce. One episode of ST Discovery costs $8.5 USD million to produce.

Dynaman878921 Jun 2018 2:30 p.m. PST

80K to produce ten minutes of s talking ad for the full show. Before it got shutdown the begging was for pre-production work.

JCBJCB21 Jun 2018 4:34 p.m. PST

I'm a fan of "Continues."

YouTube link

The redhead sells it, of course. :)

Vigilant22 Jun 2018 3:58 a.m. PST

Discovery might have got more viewers if it wasn't another "pay us extra money to watch this show you know nothing about" like so many. Subscription TV is getting out of hand, with so many different channels to choose from each with 1 or 2 shows worth watching and a lot which are just fillers, it costs a fortune to watch just a few worthwhile shows.

Personal logo Wyatt the Odd Supporting Member of TMP Fezian22 Jun 2018 5:17 p.m. PST

The "why" is extremely complicated. I can explain.

But first, you may get more Star Trek:
link

Now, "Axanar" is precisely the reason why fan films got nuked. It was not going to be a fan film but full-on commercial production. The guy behind it was going to get a $35 USDK salary, they were selling unlicensed Trek merchandise and there was going to be a permanent set from the funding. There is no way Paramount and CBS could let that slide. Axanar ruined it for everyone. I consider it an overreaction by the legal department that did not think to invite the marketing department in to find an answer that didn't screw the fan community, but there you are.

A bit more detail here: link

Now, add to that that CBS and Paramount own different aspects of the Star Trek franchise and they can't even agree on who controls what, and it's just not a good environment.

But mostly, I think the reasons were business-related:
1) CBS needed to prove to cable providers that their content had value. ST:D added 1-1.5M new subscribers to CBS All Access and the show was fully paid for by Netflix who has the overseas rights.
2) The fan productions looked a lot better and if you can get your Trek fix for free, why add another streaming service?
3) Axanar directly competed with Discovery. They are set in the same time frame and letting Axanar proceed, boxes in CBS. If they do their own version of Captain Garth, then they're going to have to face allegations that they copied Axanar, or that the fan version was better. That's a no-win situation.

I will also note that CBS may have screwed up putting it behind a paywall. There's very little interest in ST:D merch.

link

Wyatt

Personal logo Wyatt the Odd Supporting Member of TMP Fezian22 Jun 2018 5:19 p.m. PST

Also, you will want to watch Star Trek: Of Gods and Men.

YouTube link

Wyatt

Captain Gideon24 Jun 2018 8:16 a.m. PST

Axanar would've been better than that Discovery crap.

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP26 Jun 2018 3:16 p.m. PST

If Discovery was half as good as Axanar, CBS could have landed ten times the viewers.

Russ Lockwood02 Jul 2018 8:47 p.m. PST

Thanks for the link to ST:OGAM. No idea that existed and amazed to see a number of ST veterans in the production. Quite well done.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2018 4:53 a.m. PST

Robert: "We have a much better chance of getting something great again with something new and untried than we have with something they're watching closely."

"New and untried"?

If it's not a remake, a spin-off, a re-imagining or a reboot, what have they got? It's all they know how to do over there.

It is sad. When sci-fi (of all things) gets old, there's something seriously wrong. They no longer have what it takes to venture to sail anywhere out of sight of land (the franchises).

Dan

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